A funny thing happened while using mail man.
I incorrectly set up my newsletter. Instead of being announce only it
allowed 400 people to reply to all. shortly there after people emails were filled
with hundred of "please stop sending me email". If no one had replied
there'd be no mess, but that's the funny part. The not funny part is I might get
fired over this. its has been three day and the emails wont stop. We
removed the database, we stopped using mail man, and we prayed a little that it
would fade. However it hasn't yet.
I now know how to set it up as announce only. I even know how to put my database on with out sending out a thank you for subscribing mail. How do I stop the continuing replies?
Sorry to bother you about this, it was my own ignorance that put me here,
but I was hoping that you might be able to suggest sometihng to get me out.
Jo Vasquez
empireeventscenter.com
At 1:43 PM -0500 2005-03-31, ICHRONSTUDIO@aol.com wrote:
I now know how to set it up as announce only. I even know how to put my database on with out sending out a thank you for subscribing mail. How do I stop the continuing replies?
Well, that depends on how they're doing the continuing replies. If all those people are doing "Reply-All", then most of them are being sent directly from each person to each other person who was named in the previous message to which someone did a "Reply-All", and since none of that passes through your machines, there's not much you can do.
Anything passing through your machines should be passing through your lists, and if you've got the list configurations set up correctly now, they should already be stopped.
Sorry to bother you about this, it was my own ignorance that put me here, but I was hoping that you might be able to suggest sometihng to get me out.
In my experience, one general rule is that when you add a bunch of people to a list and you don't send out an announcement welcoming them to the list, and large numbers of people start immediately responding with "STOP SENDING ME E-MAIL" complaints, etc.... that means you're basically sending spam, and that makes you a spammer.
In the future, if you don't want to be lumped in with that class of person, I would encourage you to do things differently so that your activities do not encourage those people to respond that way.
-- Brad Knowles, <brad@stop.mail-abuse.org>
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
At 9:13 AM +0200 4/1/05, Brad Knowles wrote:
In my experience, one general rule is that when you add a bunch of people to a list and you don't send out an announcement welcoming them to the list, and large numbers of people start immediately responding with "STOP SENDING ME E-MAIL" complaints, etc.... that means you're basically sending spam, and that makes you a spammer.
Although it is amazing the number of people who can get themselves on a double opt-in Mailman list with unsubscribe links everywhere they turn and still send "GET ME OFF THIS STUPID LIST OR ELSE!" messages to the whole list. Or fail to find the list on their yahoogroups and so decide that the best way to get off the list is to report it as spam.
-- Heather Madrone, who has Mailman installed on OpenBSD and is trying to figure out where the 404s are coming from. The httpd.conf file looks right, and check_perms runs clean. But such is progress. (heather@madrone.com) http://www.madrone.com
A rolling stone gathers no mass.
At 11:45 PM -0800 2005-03-31, Heather Madrone wrote:
Although it is amazing the number of people who can get themselves on a double opt-in Mailman list with unsubscribe links everywhere they turn and still send "GET ME OFF THIS STUPID LIST OR ELSE!" messages to the whole list.
That's certainly true.
Or the people who see the word "mailman" somewhere in the messages that they're receiving, so they come and threaten legal action against us because we're "obviously" the one and only source for anything in the world that ever gets labeled "mailman", even though the message pretty clearly says what domain is hosting it, etc....
Do you ever wonder why Barry can sometimes be hard to get hold of? Or why he has set up an auto-responder that tells people he can't do anything to unsubscribe them from mailing lists that we don't run?
Yeesh.-- Brad Knowles, <brad@stop.mail-abuse.org>
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
Brad Knowles wrote:
At 1:43 PM -0500 2005-03-31, ICHRONSTUDIO@aol.com wrote:
I now know how to set it up as announce only. I even know how to put my database on with out sending out a thank you for subscribing mail. How do I stop the continuing replies?
Well, that depends on how they're doing the continuing replies. If all those people are doing "Reply-All", then most of them are being sent directly from each person to each other person who was named in the previous message to which someone did a "Reply-All", and since none of that passes through your machines, there's not much you can do.
Anything passing through your machines should be passing through your lists, and if you've got the list configurations set up correctly now, they should already be stopped.
One other thing to consider is you may still have some number of old outgoing messages queued in your MTA since it may well have been way overloaded at some point You could investigate how to delete those queued messages before they're sent, but that's beyond the scope of this list.
Sorry to bother you about this, it was my own ignorance that put me here, but I was hoping that you might be able to suggest sometihng to get me out.
In my experience, one general rule is that when you add a bunch of people to a list and you don't send out an announcement welcoming them to the list, and large numbers of people start immediately responding with "STOP SENDING ME E-MAIL" complaints, etc.... that means you're basically sending spam, and that makes you a spammer.
This is generally true, but in many cases, it's only one or two people who initially respond and most of the subsequent mess is people responding "Don't tell me to stop sending you mail. I didn't send you anything. now you stop sending me mail."
In the future, if you don't want to be lumped in with that class of person, I would encourage you to do things differently so that your activities do not encourage those people to respond that way.
Agreed.
-- Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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