and searched archives and see this goes back years and years is there a quick fix I missed in the archives?

On Jul 28, 2019, at 8:13 AM, Loren Engrav engrav@mac.com wrote:

and after the last round the screen is shown below message saying aol disabled no message for yahoo but there is the nomail checked no message for outlook and no check by nomail

...

On Jul 28, 2019, at 7:58 AM, Loren Engrav mailto:engrav@mac.com> wrote:

Greetings

I use Mailman (2.1.26) at Site5.com http://site5.com/.

Several of the member addresses are @yahoo.com @aol.com and @outlook.com.

Messages to these address bounce and fail and / or just fail. Messages to other addresses pass.

The latest notice(s) are summarized below.

Site5 people cannot seem to fix this.

Any advice for me / Site5? (I am not expert at this)

Thank you

Loren Engrav

=================== his is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice:

List: testwg Member: engravosaurusrex@aol.com mailto:engravosaurusrex@aol.com Action: Subscription disabled. Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces.

From: MAILER-DAEMON@gateway1.unifiedlayer.com mailto:MAILER-DAEMON@gateway1.unifiedlayer.com (Mail Delivery System) Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Date: July 27, 2019 at 9:38:57 PM PDT To: testwg-bounces@engrav.mobi mailto:testwg-bounces@engrav.mobi

This is the mail system at host gateway1.unifiedlayer.com http://gateway1.unifiedlayer.com/.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message.

              The mail system

mailto:engravosaurusrex@aol.com>: delivery temporarily suspended: lost connection with mx-aol.mail.gm0.yahoodns.net http://mx-aol.mail.gm0.yahoodns.net/[98.136.101.116] while sending RCPT TO Reporting-MTA: dns; gateway1.unifiedlayer.com http://gateway1.unifiedlayer.com/ X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 47C7320078818 X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; testwg-bounces@engrav.mobi mailto:testwg-bounces@engrav.mobi Arrival-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 21:13:17 -0500 (CDT)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; engravosaurusrex@aol.com mailto:engravosaurusrex@aol.com Original-Recipient: rfc822;engravosaurusrex@aol.com mailto:engravosaurusrex@aol.com Action: failed Status: 4.4.2 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; delivery temporarily suspended: lost connection with mx-aol.mail.gm0.yahoodns.net http://mx-aol.mail.gm0.yahoodns.net/[98.136.101.116] while sending RCPT TO

From: testwg-request@engrav.mobi mailto:testwg-request@engrav.mobi Subject: confirm 29e587acb271cfb11cfadd8ca325f3ffa9bd2fca Date: July 27, 2019 at 7:13:15 PM PDT To: engravosaurusrex@aol.com mailto:engravosaurusrex@aol.com

Your membership in the mailing list testwg has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 27-Jul-2019.

If you have any questions or problems, you can contact the list owner at

testwg-owner@engrav.mobi mailto:testwg-owner@engrav.mobi

======================== This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice:

List: testwg Member: engravosaurus@yahoo.com mailto:engravosaurus@yahoo.com Action: Subscription disabled. Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces.

The triggering bounce notice is attached below.

Questions? Contact the Mailman site administrator at mailman@engrav.mobi mailto:mailman@engrav.mobi.

From: MAILER-DAEMON@gateway13.unifiedlayer.com mailto:MAILER-DAEMON@gateway13.unifiedlayer.com (Mail Delivery System) Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Date: July 27, 2019 at 10:19:15 PM PDT To: testwg-bounces@engrav.mobi mailto:testwg-bounces@engrav.mobi

This is the mail system at host gateway13.unifiedlayer.com http://gateway13.unifiedlayer.com/.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message.

              The mail system

mailto:engravosaurus@yahoo.com>: delivery temporarily suspended: lost connection with mta5.am0.yahoodns.net http://mta5.am0.yahoodns.net/[98.137.159.24] while sending RCPT TO Reporting-MTA: dns; gateway13.unifiedlayer.com http://gateway13.unifiedlayer.com/ X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 598BC200A4FF9 X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; testwg-bounces@engrav.mobi mailto:testwg-bounces@engrav.mobi Arrival-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 21:53:54 -0500 (CDT)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; engravosaurus@yahoo.com mailto:engravosaurus@yahoo.com Original-Recipient: rfc822;engravosaurus@yahoo.com mailto:engravosaurus@yahoo.com Action: failed Status: 4.4.2 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; delivery temporarily suspended: lost connection with mta5.am0.yahoodns.net http://mta5.am0.yahoodns.net/[98.137.159.24] while sending RCPT TO

From: Loren Engrav mailto:engrav@mac.com> Subject: [testwg] 7:53 [#NAC-143-22422]: Email bounceback [uscentral427.accountservergroup.com http://uscentral427.accountservergroup.com/] Date: July 27, 2019 at 7:53:36 PM PDT To: testwg@engrav.mobi mailto:testwg@engrav.mobi

On 7/28/19 9:52 AM, Bill Cole wrote:

On 28 Jul 2019, at 11:25, Loren Engrav via Mailman-Users wrote:

...

and searched archives and see this goes back years and years is there a quick fix I missed in the archives?

This looks like a DMARC problem.

It is not a DMARC issue. The disconnect comes in response to the SMTP RCPT TO command. DMARC can't be checked until after DATA and in any case would normally result in a rejection, not a disconnect.

I started to draft another reply earlier this morning. I will send that soon.

-- Mark Sapiro mark@msapiro.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

can whitelist on outlook that seems to have solved outlook problem yahoo and aol remain attempts to whitelist there have failed

On Jul 28, 2019, at 5:40 PM, Loren Engrav via Mailman-Users mailman-users@python.org wrote:

thank you will be interesting maybe will help Site5 fix things

supporting your opinion I tried munge and wrap, as mentioned, and neither fixed

...

On Jul 28, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Mark Sapiro mark@msapiro.net wrote:

On 7/28/19 9:52 AM, Bill Cole wrote:

...

On 28 Jul 2019, at 11:25, Loren Engrav via Mailman-Users wrote:

...

and searched archives and see this goes back years and years is there a quick fix I missed in the archives?

This looks like a DMARC problem.

It is not a DMARC issue. The disconnect comes in response to the SMTP RCPT TO command. DMARC can't be checked until after DATA and in any case would normally result in a rejection, not a disconnect.

I started to draft another reply earlier this morning. I will send that soon.

-- Mark Sapiro mark@msapiro.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/engrav%40mac.com

---

Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/engrav%40mac.com

Hi

I tried munge yes yes and wrap yes yes on my Mailman (not at Site5) under Privacy > Sender munge? still messages failed to yahoo aol and outlook wrap? message to outlook passed but yahoo and aol failed

On Jul 28, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Bill Cole mailmanu-20190215@billmail.scconsult.com wrote:

On 28 Jul 2019, at 13:04, Jayson Smith wrote:

...

Hi,

The problem I'm familiar with is messages *from* AOL/Hotmail/Yahoo/etc. being rejected by other Email providers.

It happens in both directions. Providers who publish a "p=reject" DMARC policy typically also honor other providers' "p=reject" DMARC policies. If a mailing list makes any change to messages, it should also either munge From or wrap messages to avoid problems. You can do that for all messages, only for "p=reject" sender domains, or for both "p=reject" and "p=quarantine" domains.

-- Bill Cole bill@scconsult.com or billcole@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses)

Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/engrav%40mac.com