I just moved a smallish list over from majordomo over to a mailman system at my new web hosting service. Most of my list subscribers that use Eudora are complaining about the excessive headers that mailman puts on messages to the list. It seems that even with 'hide headers' on Eudora gets confused and lets about 6 lines of header crud through into message body. In later versions of Eudora for PC, viewing mail with the preview pane gets around this problem.
Is there any way on the list administrators side to cut down on the number of headers that mailman adds to messages? I saw something like this on the developer's wish list page, which makes me un-hopeful about finding a simple solution. I haven't found any checkboxes on the admin pages that say "remove excess crud from headers" or anything equally conspicuous.
If anyone knows about this, I'd appreciate some help.
I'm not on this mailing list so please include this e-mail in your reply.
Thanks Colin Andrews
Colin,
Why not help your Eudora users on their end instead? Show them how to use the "TabooHeaders" parameter in their eudora.ini file as below. Any header they do not wish to see you can put in the list. If they are not comfortable with text editors and manually editing ".ini" files, then Eudora has an easy way of helping them do it.
- Find out exactly what headers people don't like.
Examples: X-Sender,X-Mailer,Message-Id,Organization,X-Mailer,Sender,X-BeenThere,X-Mailman-Version,Content-Type,Content-Transfer-Encoding,List-Help,List-Post,List-Subscribe,List-Id,List-Unsubscribe,List-Archive
- add them to the default list.
Here is what I have for my default list:
X-UID,Received,Status,X-UIDL,Message,In-Reply,X-Priority,Mime-Version,Content-,X-Persona,Resent-Message,References,Return,X400,X-400,Mail-System,Errors-To,X-List,Delivery,Disposition,X-Juno,Precedence,X-Attachments,X-MSMail,X-MimeOLE,X-Nav
... now with the ones you don't want appended ...
X-UID,Received,Status,X-UIDL,Message,In-Reply,X-Priority,Mime-Version,Content-,X-Persona,Resent-Message,References,Return,X400,X-400,Mail-System,Errors-To,X-List,Delivery,Disposition,X-Juno,Precedence,X-Attachments,X-MSMail,X-MimeOLE,X-Nav,X-Sender,X-Mailer,Message-Id,Organization,X-Mailer,Sender,X-BeenThere,X-Mailman-Version,Content-Type,Content-Transfer-Encoding,List-Help,List-Post,List-Subscribe,List-Id,List-Unsubscribe,List-Archive
- Now place them after the TabooHeaders parameter.
TabooHeaders=X-UID,Received,Status,X-UIDL,Message,In-Reply,X-Priority,Mime-Version,Content-,X-Persona,Resent-Message,References,Return,X400,X-400,Mail-System,Errors-To,X-List,Delivery,Disposition,X-Juno,Precedence,X-Attachments,X-MSMail,X-MimeOLE,X-Nav,X-Sender,X-Mailer,Message-Id,Organization,X-Mailer,Sender,X-BeenThere,X-Mailman-Version,Content-Type,Content-Transfer-Encoding,List-Help,List-Post,List-Subscribe,List-Id,List-Unsubscribe,List-Archive
- Paste this line into their eudora.ini file to replace the one that is already there. (they might not have this line in their config as the default settings are actually hard coded into the software.)
or
- Tell them to create a brand new message and address it to nobody. Then paste the following line into the body of the message.
<X-Eudora-Option:TabooHeaders=X-UID,Received,Status,X-UIDL,Message,In-Reply,X-Priority,Mime-Version,Content-,X-Persona,Resent-Message,References,Return,X400,X-400,Mail-System,Errors-To,X-List,Delivery,Disposition,X-Juno,Precedence,X-Attachments,X-MSMail,X-MimeOLE,X-Nav,X-Sender,X-Mailer,Message-Id,Organization,X-Mailer,Sender,X-BeenThere,X-Mailman-Version,Content-Type,Content-Transfer-Encoding,List-Help,List-Post,List-Subscribe,List-Id,List-Unsubscribe,List-Archive>
This line is a command to Eudora to change its configuration settings. If the mouse over the line they should see the command displayed in their status bar. If they hit the ALT button when they hover over the line the cursor will turn into a finger. Clicking on the line will then bring up a confirmation dialog asking if they really want to change their settings. The dialog shows the default, current, and proposed value of the parameter. All they have to do is click ok and its all done.
Heck if you want to be really lazy just forward this message to them and kick back.
-Ben
ps These instructions are for the Win version. IIRC Anything post 3.0 should work this way. It shouldn't be too difficult to verify this for Mac users.
At 12:07 PM 8/3/01 -0700, you wrote:
At 21:54 -0700 8/3/2001, Ben Burnett wrote:
First, thanks for the <X-Eudora-Option:....> information. It is slightly different in Mac Eudora (spelled <X-Eudora-Setting:nnn> where nnn is a number) and I don't know what the number is for boring headers (see below). This will help us produce an FAQ which we do need.
For Mac Eudora users to deal with the List headers:
If not already done, copy the file "Esoteric Headers" or, recently, "Esoteric Headers n.m" (version specific) which is shipped in the Additional Settings folder into the Eudora Stuff folder [both inside the Eudora Folder containing the application].
Once that is in place, there is a "Boring headers" pane of settings. Add the desired headers to suppress into the list of headers...a simple List- will suppress all of them, but I name them individually so I can keep List-Post: visible.
The Esoteric Settings thing first appeared long ago...it began shipping with Eudora more recently, but at least back through the 4.x series. It predated the <X-Eudora-setting...> URL hack
Esoteric Settings contains lots of fun things with which to get into trouble, and a few with which to get out of trouble.
--john
-- John Baxter jwblist@olympus.net Port Ludlow, WA, USA
Colin,
Why not help your Eudora users on their end instead? Show them how to use the "TabooHeaders" parameter in their eudora.ini file as below. Any header they do not wish to see you can put in the list. If they are not comfortable with text editors and manually editing ".ini" files, then Eudora has an easy way of helping them do it.
- Find out exactly what headers people don't like.
Examples: X-Sender,X-Mailer,Message-Id,Organization,X-Mailer,Sender,X-BeenThere,X-Mailman-Version,Content-Type,Content-Transfer-Encoding,List-Help,List-Post,List-Subscribe,List-Id,List-Unsubscribe,List-Archive
- add them to the default list.
Here is what I have for my default list:
X-UID,Received,Status,X-UIDL,Message,In-Reply,X-Priority,Mime-Version,Content-,X-Persona,Resent-Message,References,Return,X400,X-400,Mail-System,Errors-To,X-List,Delivery,Disposition,X-Juno,Precedence,X-Attachments,X-MSMail,X-MimeOLE,X-Nav
... now with the ones you don't want appended ...
X-UID,Received,Status,X-UIDL,Message,In-Reply,X-Priority,Mime-Version,Content-,X-Persona,Resent-Message,References,Return,X400,X-400,Mail-System,Errors-To,X-List,Delivery,Disposition,X-Juno,Precedence,X-Attachments,X-MSMail,X-MimeOLE,X-Nav,X-Sender,X-Mailer,Message-Id,Organization,X-Mailer,Sender,X-BeenThere,X-Mailman-Version,Content-Type,Content-Transfer-Encoding,List-Help,List-Post,List-Subscribe,List-Id,List-Unsubscribe,List-Archive
- Now place them after the TabooHeaders parameter.
TabooHeaders=X-UID,Received,Status,X-UIDL,Message,In-Reply,X-Priority,Mime-Version,Content-,X-Persona,Resent-Message,References,Return,X400,X-400,Mail-System,Errors-To,X-List,Delivery,Disposition,X-Juno,Precedence,X-Attachments,X-MSMail,X-MimeOLE,X-Nav,X-Sender,X-Mailer,Message-Id,Organization,X-Mailer,Sender,X-BeenThere,X-Mailman-Version,Content-Type,Content-Transfer-Encoding,List-Help,List-Post,List-Subscribe,List-Id,List-Unsubscribe,List-Archive
- Paste this line into their eudora.ini file to replace the one that is already there. (they might not have this line in their config as the default settings are actually hard coded into the software.)
or
- Tell them to create a brand new message and address it to nobody. Then paste the following line into the body of the message.
<X-Eudora-Option:TabooHeaders=X-UID,Received,Status,X-UIDL,Message,In-Reply,X-Priority,Mime-Version,Content-,X-Persona,Resent-Message,References,Return,X400,X-400,Mail-System,Errors-To,X-List,Delivery,Disposition,X-Juno,Precedence,X-Attachments,X-MSMail,X-MimeOLE,X-Nav,X-Sender,X-Mailer,Message-Id,Organization,X-Mailer,Sender,X-BeenThere,X-Mailman-Version,Content-Type,Content-Transfer-Encoding,List-Help,List-Post,List-Subscribe,List-Id,List-Unsubscribe,List-Archive>
This line is a command to Eudora to change its configuration settings. If the mouse over the line they should see the command displayed in their status bar. If they hit the ALT button when they hover over the line the cursor will turn into a finger. Clicking on the line will then bring up a confirmation dialog asking if they really want to change their settings. The dialog shows the default, current, and proposed value of the parameter. All they have to do is click ok and its all done.
Heck if you want to be really lazy just forward this message to them and kick back.
-Ben
ps These instructions are for the Win version. IIRC Anything post 3.0 should work this way. It shouldn't be too difficult to verify this for Mac users.
At 12:07 PM 8/3/01 -0700, you wrote:
At 21:54 -0700 8/3/2001, Ben Burnett wrote:
First, thanks for the <X-Eudora-Option:....> information. It is slightly different in Mac Eudora (spelled <X-Eudora-Setting:nnn> where nnn is a number) and I don't know what the number is for boring headers (see below). This will help us produce an FAQ which we do need.
For Mac Eudora users to deal with the List headers:
If not already done, copy the file "Esoteric Headers" or, recently, "Esoteric Headers n.m" (version specific) which is shipped in the Additional Settings folder into the Eudora Stuff folder [both inside the Eudora Folder containing the application].
Once that is in place, there is a "Boring headers" pane of settings. Add the desired headers to suppress into the list of headers...a simple List- will suppress all of them, but I name them individually so I can keep List-Post: visible.
The Esoteric Settings thing first appeared long ago...it began shipping with Eudora more recently, but at least back through the 4.x series. It predated the <X-Eudora-setting...> URL hack
Esoteric Settings contains lots of fun things with which to get into trouble, and a few with which to get out of trouble.
--john
-- John Baxter jwblist@olympus.net Port Ludlow, WA, USA
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