Re: [Mailman-Users] Monthly Reminder Problem
Thanks for the help. Should we take this off list, since this seems unique, or do you think the list would be interested?
On 5/10/2011 9:15 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
- Dennis Putnam <dap1@bellsouth.net>:
I have gotten some feedback from my list members. It seems no one got the message although the log shows they all were accepted by my ISP. I'm stuck. So you'll have to got the bcc route and find out WHAT PHRASE EXACTLY causes the mail to be stuck.
I can help, since I find this highly interesting :)
On 5/10/2011 5:08 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
- Dennis Putnam <dap1@bellsouth.net>:
As a followup, there is something definitely weird going on but I am pretty sure it is not a mailman problem per se. I am still waiting for some feedback from my list members but it appears that the problem is my own email address. Very very odd. Meaning you're the only person NOT to receive the mails?
I can and do get other messages as both the list owner and a member but not this particular one. However, as I said before, the message is definitely being accepted by my ISP's mail server. This is probably going to be one of those unsolvable problems with my ISP unless there are other list members that did not receive the reminder.
Thanks for your help.
On 5/5/2011 10:05 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
> Well, you can use: > > recipient_bcc_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/recipient_bcc_maps > > containing > dap1@bellsouth.net someaccount@localhost > then "postmap /etc/postfix/recipient_bcc_maps" > > which would then deliver a copy of EVERY mail sent to > dap1@bellsouth.net in copy to someaccount@localhost Ohhhh! You meant in Postfix. I thought you were talking about mailman. Interesting idea, I'll give it a try. All you THEN have to do is to coax mailman into actually sending such a mail :)
> Once you have a copy of the faulty mail at the mailbox for > someaccount@localhost you can always do stuff like: > > cat themail.txt | sendmail -i -f mailman-bounces@bellsouth.net dap1@bellsouth.net Another good idea I didn't think of that I can try with any text. That would at least confirm if from is the culprit. You can then use an editor to remove portions from, the email UNTIL it arrives at bellsouth!
Thanks for the suggestions. I'll try them and get back if nothing definitive shows up. Just let me know if you encounter any problems. I find this highly interesting :)
Dennis Putnam wrote:
Thanks for the help. Should we take this off list, since this seems unique, or do you think the list would be interested?
It seems most of this thread was off list until now.
On 5/10/2011 9:15 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
- Dennis Putnam <dap1@bellsouth.net>:
I have gotten some feedback from my list members. It seems no one got the message although the log shows they all were accepted by my ISP. I'm stuck. So you'll have to got the bcc route and find out WHAT PHRASE EXACTLY causes the mail to be stuck.
I can help, since I find this highly interesting :)
As I understand it, Mailman delivers outgoing mail via a local Postfix which in turn relays all mail through your own ISP (mail.bellsouth.net). The problem you see is that monthly password reminders, and only monthly password reminders get discarded somewhere between mail.bellsouth.net and the recipients.
There are two things unique about password reminders:
They are sent from the 'mailman' site list and thus have envelope from mailman-bounces@... Most other mail is from a non-site list and has envelope from listname-bounces where listname is not mailman. You mentioned in your first post that mailman-bounces doesn't exist. Why not? 'mailman is a list and has a full set of 10 mailman*@... addresses just like any other list. These should all be deliverable.
They are ubiquitous - so much so that in some circles, the first of the month is known as "Mailman day". This can cause some spam filters to flag reminders as spam.
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- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net>:
As I understand it, Mailman delivers outgoing mail via a local Postfix which in turn relays all mail through your own ISP (mail.bellsouth.net). The problem you see is that monthly password reminders, and only monthly password reminders get discarded somewhere between mail.bellsouth.net and the recipients.
Correct.
There are two things unique about password reminders:
- They are sent from the 'mailman' site list and thus have envelope from mailman-bounces@... Most other mail is from a non-site list and has envelope from listname-bounces where listname is not mailman. You mentioned in your first post that mailman-bounces doesn't exist. Why not? 'mailman is a list and has a full set of 10 mailman*@... addresses just like any other list. These should all be deliverable.
Indeed.
- They are ubiquitous - so much so that in some circles, the first of the month is known as "Mailman day". This can cause some spam filters to flag reminders as spam.
Also, they contain phishing like phrasing.
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