Re: [Mailman-Users] [discuss] configuration of the maillist server from 1net.org
Dear friends,
now i think, it is clear. The feature "duplicate suppression" is a fix mechanism. I will wait for the answers of the people from the mailman-users list, what the say about. But in Gmail with a user configuration never i can resolve the problem.
The mailman server never want to support the change of message-id. And as a user never i can do it. Only with a second user subscribing. My next alternative is to use GMX in Germany or any other non-non-neutral mailserver.
I ordered the mails in inverse chronical order.
many greetings, willi Panama City
-------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: [Gmail Forum] Re: Not receiving email from groups Datum: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 09:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Von: bkennelly via Gmail Help Forum
No, you cannot turn off duplicate suppression.
Gmail follows the RFCs and treats the Message-ID as globally unique for a particular version of the message. According to RFC5322, changing the Message-ID is the correct way to identify a new revision of the message. In regards to the added headers, it states:
The addition of such header fields does not change the identity of the message and therefore the original "Message-ID:" field is retained. In all cases, it is the meaning that the sender of the message wishes to convey (i.e., *whether this is the same message or a different **message*) that *determines whether or not the "Message-ID:" field **changes, *not any particular syntactic difference that appears (or does not appear) in the message.
In other words, if you consider the message sent from the mailing list to be a different message, change the Message-ID. Keeping the Message-ID signals that it is the same message, and Gmail will suppress it as a duplicate.
It should not affect message threading or other functions. (Threading is based on headers referencing previous messages, which are not changing. Changing the ID on the new message doesn't affect any of those headers.)
If you don't want to change the Message-ID, you can subscribe another address to the list to get all of the messages.
-------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: [Gmail Forum] Re: Not receiving email from groups Datum: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 21:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Von: Willi übelherr via Gmail Help Forum
Dear bkennelly,
i thought, that gmail use the message-id for compare. But the mail i send is different to the mail i receive. The mailheader is extended. And this information is always necessary for me.
To change the message-id is a bad way because the message-id are used for thread ordering in the mail directory. And many internal functions are working based on the message-id.
My primary question goes to the possibility, how i can define or enable/disable this delete function in this account.
many greetings, willi Panama City
-------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: [Gmail Forum] Re: Not receiving email from groups Datum: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 19:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Von: bkennelly via Gmail Help Forum
Gmail only stores one copy of each message in your account. If you sent the message, you already have a copy and the incoming copy is recognised as a duplicate.
If your mailing list software has the option to change the Message-ID when re-sending messages, Gmail will recognise the returning message as a new version and you will get it in your Inbox.
-------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: [Gmail Forum] Not receiving email from groups Datum: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 11:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Von: Willi übelherr An: gmail@googleproductforums.com
Dear friends,
the gmail-server blocked email to my account. Not as spam. No, as any else.
If i send a mail to a maillistserver for distribution, i want to receive this mail from the listserver. But google stopped this mail without my request and without any information to me.
In the mailman-configuration i can set this option. But then, it have to work transparently and never i accept any hidden mail deleting.
many greetings, willi Panama City
On 6/22/14, 4:34 PM, willi uebelherr wrote:
Dear friends,
now i think, it is clear. The feature "duplicate suppression" is a fix mechanism. I will wait for the answers of the people from the mailman-users list, what the say about. But in Gmail with a user configuration never i can resolve the problem.
The mailman server never want to support the change of message-id. And as a user never i can do it. Only with a second user subscribing. My next alternative is to use GMX in Germany or any other non-non-neutral mailserver.
I ordered the mails in inverse chronical order.
many greetings, willi Panama City
One option is to add a subscription to the list in digest mode. While normally you can have only 1 subscription per email address, since gmail addresses are dot (.) insensitive, you can create a "new" email address adding or removing a dot to the email address. If you subscribe to the Mime-Digest, you will even get messages with headers.
-- Richard Damon
willi uebelherr writes:
now i think, it is clear. The feature "duplicate suppression" is a fix mechanism. I will wait for the answers of the people from the mailman-users list, what the say about. But in Gmail with a user configuration never i can resolve the problem.
That's right. GMail considers this a feature, and has consistently refused to even provide an option to receive copies of own mail. You may consider it embarrassing for GMail, but GMail clearly doesn't think it's a problem.
If you don't like this feature, you will have to use a different mail service from GMail, or live with it. You may be able to work around it by fiddling with the subscription address as Richard suggests, but I bet it doesn't work (these are different names for the same mailbox).
Gmail follows the RFCs and treats the Message-ID as globally unique for a particular version of the message. According to RFC5322, changing the Message-ID is the correct way to identify a new revision of the message.
This is absolutely correct.
In other words, if you consider the message sent from the mailing list to be a different message, change the Message-ID.
This is also correct. But only list admins really care about the difference between a direct copy and the copy distributed by Mailman, so it's a bad idea for Mailman to change the Message-ID. It probably won't be supported, unless convincing evidence is presented that there are cases where it won't confuse users and MUAs.
On 6/24/14, 9:35 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
If you don't like this feature, you will have to use a different mail service from GMail, or live with it. You may be able to work around it by fiddling with the subscription address as Richard suggests, but I bet it doesn't work (these are different names for the same mailbox).
Getting a second regular subscription won't do anything, but I was suggesting adding a DIGEST subscription, which will arrive (eventually) and thus giving you confirmation that the message did go through.
-- Richard Damon
On 06/24/2014 08:11 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
Getting a second regular subscription won't do anything, but I was suggesting adding a DIGEST subscription, which will arrive (eventually) and thus giving you confirmation that the message did go through.
As a Gmail user you can get "immediate" confirmation that your post at least got to Mailman by setting your user option "Receive acknowledgement mail when you send mail to the list?" to Yes.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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