listname-leave@domain.com isnt working
When I send email to listname-leave@domain.com the names don't unsubscribe from the lists.
Why would that be?
Thanks.
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Ken Cheney wrote:
When I send email to listname-leave@domain.com the names don't unsubscribe from the lists.
Does the mail reach Mailman? Is anything returned to the sender? What does the MTA log say it did with the mail?
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Given that I am very new to Mailman/Postfix/Linux... where would I find the MTA logs? how would I tell if the message made it to mailman. Come to think of it I have seen in logs where it say kencheney@Yahoo.com has been removed from the list. Yet my email address is still on the list.
Thanks. Ken
Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net wrote: Ken Cheney wrote:
When I send email to listname-leave@domain.com the names don't unsubscribe from the lists.
Does the mail reach Mailman? Is anything returned to the sender? What does the MTA log say it did with the mail?
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Ken Cheney wrote:
Given that I am very new to Mailman/Postfix/Linux... where would I find the MTA logs?
Maybe /var/log/maillog; maybe somewhere else.
how would I tell if the message made it to mailman.
There will be a maillog entry indicating the message was delivered via a pipe to the wrapper as in "|path/to/mail/mailman leave listname" in the case of mail to listname-leave.
Come to think of it I have seen in logs where it say kencheney@Yahoo.com has been removed from the list. Yet my email address is still on the list.
Did you subsequently resubscribe? Were you removed from one list and still on another? Are you confusing the list owner with list members?
Mailman's subscribe log should have all the subscribe and unsubscribe activity.
-- Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
there are log entries in maillog that say Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtpd[2573]: connect from listserv.mydomain.com[127.0.0.1] Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtpd[2573]: 0C3CA2184C3: client=listserv.mydomain.com[127.0.0.1] Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/cleanup[2576]: 0C3CA2184C3: message-id=mailman.2.1165241703.2374.mailman@listserv.mydomain.com Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 0C3CA2184C3: from=mailman-bounces@listserv.mydomain.com, size=3775, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtpd[2573]: disconnect from listserv.mydomain.com[127.0.0.1] Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtp[2580]: 0C3CA2184C3: to=kcheney@mydomain.com, relay=mydomain.com[10.180.50.2], delay=0, status=bounced (host mydomain.com[10.180.50.2] said: 550 5.7.1 Unable to relay for kcheney@mydomain.com (in reply to RCPT TO command)) Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/cleanup[2576]: 34EAD2184EA: message-id=20061204141507.34EAD2184EA@listserv.mydomain.com Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 34EAD2184EA: from=<>, size=5858, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 0C3CA2184C3: removed Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/local[2577]: 34EAD2184EA: to=mailman-bounces@listserv.mydomain.com, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman) Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 34EAD2184EA: removed If that part where is says "removed" means that they are off the list - they aren't.
This is the vette log says:
Dec 04 08:25:03 2006 (2762) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: root@listserv.mydomain.com Dec 04 08:25:03 2006 (2762) Mailman post from root@listserv.mydomain.com held, message-id=200612041325.kB4DP2hP003246@listserv.mydomain.com: Post by non-member to a members-only list Dec 04 08:30:03 2006 (2762) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: root@listserv.mydomain.com Dec 04 08:30:03 2006 (2762) Mailman post from root@listserv.mydomain.com held, message-id=200612041330.kB4DU1RE003301@listserv.mydomain.com: Post by non-member to a members-only list Dec 04 08:35:03 2006 (2762) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: root@listserv.mydomain.com Dec 04 08:35:03 2006 (2762) Mailman post from root@listserv.mydomain.com held, message-id=200612041335.kB4DZ2Xg003356@listserv.mydomain.com: Post by non-member to a members-only list Dec 04 08:40:03 2006 (2762) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: root@listserv.mydomain.com Dec 04 08:40:03 2006 (2762) Mailman post from root@listserv.mydomain.com held, message-id=200612041340.kB4De1f7003547@listserv.mydomain.com: Post by non-member to a members-only list Dec 04 08:45:04 2006 (2762) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: root@listserv.mydomain.com Dec 04 08:45:04 2006 (2762) Mailman post from root@listserv.mydomain.com held, message-id=200612041345.kB4Dj2dr003601@listserv.mydomain.com: Post by non-member to a members-only list Dec 04 08:50:03 2006 (2762) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: root@listserv.mydomain.com Dec 04 08:50:03 2006 (2762) Mailman post from root@listserv.mydomain.com held, message-id=200612041350.kB4Do1dT003656@listserv.mydomain.com: Post by non-member to a members-only list Dec 04 08:55:03 2006 (2762) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: root@listserv.mydomain.com Dec 04 08:55:03 2006 (2762) Mailman post from root@listserv.mydomain.com held, message-id=200612041355.kB4Dt2Vp003876@listserv.mydomain.com: Post by non-member to a members-only list Dec 04 09:00:04 2006 (2762) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: root@listserv.mydomain.com Dec 04 09:00:04 2006 (2762) Mailman post from root@listserv.mydomain.com held, message-id=200612041400.kB4E02SG003940@listserv.mydomain.com: Post by non-member to a members-only list Dec 04 09:00:05 2006 (2762) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: root@listserv.mydomain.com Dec 04 09:00:05 2006 (2762) Mailman post from root@listserv.mydomain.com held, message-id=200612041400.kB4E02Zf003939@listserv.mydomain.com: Post by non-member to a members-only list Dec 04 09:05:05 2006 (2374) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: root@listserv.mydomain.com Dec 04 09:05:05 2006 (2374) Mailman post from root@listserv.mydomain.com held, message-id=200612041405.kB4E53rJ002457@listserv.mydomain.com: Post by non-member to a members-only list Dec 04 09:10:03 2006 (2374) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: root@listserv.mydomain.com Dec 04 09:10:03 2006 (2374) Mailman post from root@listserv.mydomain.com held, message-id=200612041410.kB4EA2x4002513@listserv.mydomain.com: Post by non-member to a members-only list Dec 04 09:15:03 2006 (2374) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: root@listserv.mydomain.com Dec 04 09:15:03 2006 (2374) Mailman post from root@listserv.mydomain.com held, message-id=200612041415.kB4EF2CP002572@listserv.mydomain.com: Post by non-member to a members-only list Dec 04 09:20:04 2006 (2374) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: root@listserv.mydomain.com Dec 04 09:20:04 2006 (2374) Mailman post from root@listserv.mydomain.com held, message-id=200612041420.kB4EK2vd002654@listserv.mydomain.com: Post by non-member to a members-only list
I am very confused. Could the fact that it wont relay to my local domain be the problem?
ken
Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net wrote: Ken Cheney wrote:
Given that I am very new to Mailman/Postfix/Linux... where would I find the MTA logs?
Maybe /var/log/maillog; maybe somewhere else.
how would I tell if the message made it to mailman.
There will be a maillog entry indicating the message was delivered via a pipe to the wrapper as in "|path/to/mail/mailman leave listname" in the case of mail to listname-leave.
Come to think of it I have seen in logs where it say kencheney@Yahoo.com has been removed from the list. Yet my email address is still on the list.
Did you subsequently resubscribe? Were you removed from one list and still on another? Are you confusing the list owner with list members?
Mailman's subscribe log should have all the subscribe and unsubscribe activity.
-- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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On 12/4/06, Ken Cheney kencheney@yahoo.com wrote:
there are log entries in maillog that say Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtpd[2573]: connect from listserv.mydomain.com[127.0.0.1] Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtpd[2573]: 0C3CA2184C3: client=listserv.mydomain.com[127.0.0.1] Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/cleanup[2576]: 0C3CA2184C3: message-id=mailman.2.1165241703.2374.mailman@listserv.mydomain.com Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 0C3CA2184C3: from=mailman-bounces@listserv.mydomain.com, size=3775, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtpd[2573]: disconnect from listserv.mydomain.com[127.0.0.1] Something connected from the local computer and sent a message.
Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtp[2580]: 0C3CA2184C3: to=kcheney@mydomain.com, relay=mydomain.com[10.180.50.2], delay=0, status=bounced (host mydomain.com[10.180.50.2] said: 550 5.7.1 Unable to relay for kcheney@mydomain.com (in reply to RCPT TO command)) The message was to kcheney@mydomain.com. The server attempted to deliver this by connecting to mydomain.com (IP 10.180.50.2), which refused to relay to the address kcheney@mydomain.com
Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/cleanup[2576]: 34EAD2184EA: message-id=20061204141507.34EAD2184EA@listserv.mydomain.com Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 34EAD2184EA: from=<>, size=5858, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 0C3CA2184C3: removed The local SMTP server generated a bounce notification and removed the original message from its queue.
Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/local[2577]: 34EAD2184EA: to=mailman-bounces@listserv.mydomain.com, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman) Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 34EAD2184EA: removed The bounce notification was delivered to mailman's bounce handler, and the bounce notification was removed from postfix's queue.
If that part where is says "removed" means that they are off the list - they aren't. The 'removed' is postfix removing messages from its queue, which is completely normal and correct.
This is the vette log says:
Dec 04 08:25:03 2006 (2762) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: root@listserv.mydomain.com Dec 04 08:25:03 2006 (2762) Mailman post from root@listserv.mydomain.com held, message-id=200612041325.kB4DP2hP003246@listserv.mydomain.com: Post by non-member to a members-only list Once again, 'root@listserv.mydomain.com' isn't a member of the list. This is probably a postfix DSN, which is sent 'from' postfix, or something similar.
It looks like no posts are actually reaching your mailing list.
I am very confused. Could the fact that it wont relay to my local domain be the problem?
Your server doesn't seem to realize that kcheney@mydomain.com is supposed to be delivered locally. Perhaps this is correct; however, the smart host that it's set up to deliver through ALSO won't accept kcheney@mydomain.com. At least one of these is incorrect. If the mailman server is also the server where you read your mail (e.g., your POP or IMAP server), then it needs to be configured to accept messages for kcheney for local delivery. If your SMTP relay host is the server where you read your mail, IT Needs to be set up to accept mail from kcheney@mydomain.com for local delivery.
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Patrick Bogen wrote:
Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtp[2580]: 0C3CA2184C3: to=kcheney@mydomain.com, relay=mydomain.com[10.180.50.2], delay=0, status=bounced (host mydomain.com[10.180.50.2] said: 550 5.7.1 Unable to relay for kcheney@mydomain.com (in reply to RCPT TO command)) The message was to kcheney@mydomain.com. The server attempted to deliver this by connecting to mydomain.com (IP 10.180.50.2), which refused to relay to the address kcheney@mydomain.com
Patrick obviously paid more attention to this error than I did. Patrick's analysis of the relaying failure is correct.
-- Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
x.x.50.2 is one of my DNS servers it has no email funcionality at all. I thought that postfix sent the mail.. meaning not relayed off of something else.
Ken
Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net wrote: Patrick Bogen wrote:
Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtp[2580]: 0C3CA2184C3: to=, relay=mydomain.com[10.180.50.2], delay=0, status=bounced (host mydomain.com[10.180.50.2] said: 550 5.7.1 Unable to relay for kcheney@mydomain.com (in reply to RCPT TO command)) The message was to kcheney@mydomain.com. The server attempted to deliver this by connecting to mydomain.com (IP 10.180.50.2), which refused to relay to the address kcheney@mydomain.com
Patrick obviously paid more attention to this error than I did. Patrick's analysis of the relaying failure is correct.
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On 12/4/06, Ken Cheney kencheney@yahoo.com wrote:
x.x.50.2 is one of my DNS servers it has no email funcionality at all. I thought that postfix sent the mail.. meaning not relayed off of something else.
Email works by mail servers relaying mail to each other until it gets to a server that (believes) it can deliver it locally. There is either something wrong with the MX records in your domain, or your Postfix server is actually set to relay mail to the DNS, for some reason. Check your postfix config for settings related to relaying or smarthosts, and check your DNS config to see if all your MX records are correct.
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I have internal DNS that is marginally different than external DNS.
My internal DNS points to the internal IP of my exchange server and the internal IP of my listserv.
My external DNS points to the external IPs of each. They are correct.
should I be looking somewhere other than main.cf?
Patrick Bogen pdbogen@gmail.com wrote: On 12/4/06, Ken Cheney wrote:
x.x.50.2 is one of my DNS servers it has no email funcionality at all. I thought that postfix sent the mail.. meaning not relayed off of something else.
Email works by mail servers relaying mail to each other until it gets to a server that (believes) it can deliver it locally. There is either something wrong with the MX records in your domain, or your Postfix server is actually set to relay mail to the DNS, for some reason. Check your postfix config for settings related to relaying or smarthosts, and check your DNS config to see if all your MX records are correct.
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Ken Cheney wrote:
should I be looking somewhere other than main.cf?
If you mean Postfix's main.cf, that may be it or it could be in your MX records or ?
Patrick Bogen pdbogen@gmail.com wrote: On 12/4/06, Ken Cheney wrote:
x.x.50.2 is one of my DNS servers it has no email funcionality at all.
Well, accordilng to the maillog entry you quoted earlier
Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtp[2580]: 0C3CA2184C3: to=kcheney@mydomain.com, relay=mydomain.com[10.180.50.2], delay=0, status=bounced (host mydomain.com[10.180.50.2] said: 550 5.7.1 Unable to relay for kcheney@mydomain.com (in reply to RCPT TO command))
Postfix on the mailman machine connected to port 25 [10.180.50.2] in order to deliver a message to <kcheney at mydomain.com> and something there answered the connect and spoke enough SMTP to get as far as receiving a RCPT TO command and to respond that it couldn't relay to mydomain.com.
Were all the occurrences of mydomain.com in that log entry actually the same domain before you munged them? It seems pretty strange that a server at mydomain.com[10.180.50.2] would think it a) needed to relay to mydomain.com, and b) couldn't. What does [10.180.50.2] think it's host name is?
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The problem with the unsubscribing via email has been solved.... The solution was simple. NO FIREWALL RULE SET!! Once I added this to my firewall subscribes and unsubscribes work fine.
Now for the relaying to my own domain issue.... I will post another to the list once I get some more information.
Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net wrote: Ken Cheney wrote:
should I be looking somewhere other than main.cf?
If you mean Postfix's main.cf, that may be it or it could be in your MX records or ?
Patrick Bogen wrote: On 12/4/06, Ken Cheney wrote:
x.x.50.2 is one of my DNS servers it has no email funcionality at all.
Well, accordilng to the maillog entry you quoted earlier
Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtp[2580]: 0C3CA2184C3: to=, relay=mydomain.com[10.180.50.2], delay=0, status=bounced (host mydomain.com[10.180.50.2] said: 550 5.7.1 Unable to relay for kcheney@mydomain.com (in reply to RCPT TO command))
Postfix on the mailman machine connected to port 25 [10.180.50.2] in order to deliver a message to and something there answered the connect and spoke enough SMTP to get as far as receiving a RCPT TO command and to respond that it couldn't relay to mydomain.com.
Were all the occurrences of mydomain.com in that log entry actually the same domain before you munged them? It seems pretty strange that a server at mydomain.com[10.180.50.2] would think it a) needed to relay to mydomain.com, and b) couldn't. What does [10.180.50.2] think it's host name is?
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Ken Cheney wrote:
there are log entries in maillog that say Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtpd[2573]: connect from listserv.mydomain.com[127.0.0.1] Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtpd[2573]: 0C3CA2184C3: client=listserv.mydomain.com[127.0.0.1] Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/cleanup[2576]: 0C3CA2184C3: message-id=mailman.2.1165241703.2374.mailman@listserv.mydomain.com Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 0C3CA2184C3: from=mailman-bounces@listserv.mydomain.com, size=3775, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtpd[2573]: disconnect from listserv.mydomain.com[127.0.0.1] Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtp[2580]: 0C3CA2184C3: to=kcheney@mydomain.com, relay=mydomain.com[10.180.50.2], delay=0, status=bounced (host mydomain.com[10.180.50.2] said: 550 5.7.1 Unable to relay for kcheney@mydomain.com (in reply to RCPT TO command))
The above is a message from Mailman to kcheney@mydomain.com that can't be delivered because Postfix doesn't know how to route mail to mydomain.com or it is not allowed to relay mail from 127.0.0.1 to mydomain.com.
This is a Postfix configuration issue.
Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/cleanup[2576]: 34EAD2184EA: message-id=20061204141507.34EAD2184EA@listserv.mydomain.com Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 34EAD2184EA: from=<>, size=5858, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
The above are an incoming message (a DSN from Postfix back to Mailman saying the first message was undeliverable).
Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 0C3CA2184C3: removed
This is Postfix telling you the the first message (0C3CA2184C3) was removed from Postfix's queue because Postfix was done with it. Postfix has no knowledge of what Mailman does and you won't find anything in the Postfix maillog that relates to any action Mailman has taken other than mail delivery.
Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/local[2577]: 34EAD2184EA: to=mailman-bounces@listserv.mydomain.com, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman) Dec 4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 34EAD2184EA: removed
And these are Postfix's delivery of the DSN to the mail/mailman wrapper for 'mailman-bounces' and the subsequent removal of the processed message from Postfix's queue.
If that part where is says "removed" means that they are off the list - they aren't.
That's not what it says. The above entries presumably all come after some message to listname-leave was received and delivered to Mailman. These are a reply from Mailman which is undeliverable (most likely because you aren't allowing relaying from localhost/127.0.0.1) and the subsequent bounce being returned to Mailman.
This is the vette log says:
Dec 04 08:25:03 2006 (2762) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: root@listserv.mydomain.com Dec 04 08:25:03 2006 (2762) Mailman post from root@listserv.mydomain.com held, message-id=200612041325.kB4DP2hP003246@listserv.mydomain.com: Post by non-member to a members-only list <and several more snipped>
I am very confused. Could the fact that it wont relay to my local domain be the problem?
The first message above is saying that Mailman is trying to send an autoresponse to a message received at the listname-request (or -join, -leave or -(un)subscribe) address, but the user has already received the daily limit of such messages.
The second is a held post. What happens to these? Do you see them in the admindb interface for the list?
Messages clearly reach Mailman. The problem is that the messages that mailman sends can't be relayed. You have to configure Postfix to relay from localhost/127.0.0.1 to anywhere. Then you will see Mailman's responses and more will become clear.
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