We have set up Mailman as a closed, private list for an international society. Members are subscribed by the Secretary, via the Admin control panel. (Anyone who wants to join the list has to e-mail the Secretary, and only the society members are eligible to be joined to the list.)
As far as I can see, that means that members won't ever be asked for a password/don't need a password to send messages to the list. But they still would need a password to be able to view the Archives which we have set to "private". When I tested accessing the archives, I got in with my own e-mail address and the Admin password (my own e-mail address is on the subscriber list and is difference from the list-owner e-mail address).
Obviously, we can't give 400-plus people the Admin or Moderator passwords so that they can view the Archives. Is there a way of having a third password, which we can give to the membership (and reset from time to time), to enable members to view the Archives?
TVMIA Rachel
// Option*regular_exclude_lists* (nondigest): Other mailing lists on this site whose members are excluded from the regular (non-digest) delivery if those list addresses appear in a To: or Cc: header.
This option for non-digest mail is so duplicate posts are not sent out subscribers to more than one list in a particular domain when a message is sent to more than one list --a very important function that as list owner I have been patiently waiting for. Now, Mailman supports it, but still there is a nered for a patch on hosted systems.
The hosting service I use to host various lists under one domain is
aware of the problem that the list exclusion function does not work.
This apparently has to do with aliases used for the list name in the
shared environment. It seems that the common list address is not the
"real" list address and so exclusions based on what appears in the To:
and Cc: lines do not work.
Has anyone worked on a patch? If so, please contact me.
Thanks,
Cris
Cris McConkey wrote:
The hosting service I use to host various lists under one domain is aware of the problem that the list exclusion function does not work.
This apparently has to do with aliases used for the list name in the shared environment. It seems that the common list address is not the
"real" list address and so exclusions based on what appears in the To: and Cc: lines do not work.Has anyone worked on a patch? If so, please contact me.
This sounds like cPanel Mailman <http://wiki.list.org/x/sYA9>. If that is the case, this would have to be addressed by cPanel (or a cPanel installation site) since they are the only ones who know what their code base is.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Apparently they do not use c-panel, but I'll ask for clarification. I just wanted to see what responses I might get before contacted tech support again.
--Cris
Mark Sapiro wrote:
Cris McConkey wrote:
The hosting service I use to host various lists under one domain is aware of the problem that the list exclusion function does not work.
This apparently has to do with aliases used for the list name in the shared environment. It seems that the common list address is not the
"real" list address and so exclusions based on what appears in the To: and Cc: lines do not work.Has anyone worked on a patch? If so, please contact me.
This sounds like cPanel Mailman <http://wiki.list.org/x/sYA9>. If that is the case, this would have to be addressed by cPanel (or a cPanel installation site) since they are the only ones who know what their code base is.
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Cris McConkey wrote:
Apparently they do not use c-panel, but I'll ask for clarification. I just wanted to see what responses I might get before contacted tech support again.
Asking was certainly a reasonable thing to do, but I suspect that the sibling lists feature is so new that no one has updated their "true virtual hosting" patch yet.
It is really the responsibility of whoever developed this "true virtual hosting" patch or ported it to 2.1.10/2.1.11 to make it work with sibling lists, but if you can find out from the host exactly what patches they are using to provide "true virtual hosting", I would be willing to look at them and suggest a fix for sibling lists.
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Rachel Mawhood wrote:
Obviously, we can't give 400-plus people the Admin or Moderator passwords so that they can view the Archives. Is there a way of having a third password, which we can give to the membership (and reset from time to time), to enable members to view the Archives?
The admin and moderator passwords work (even without email address) for accessing the archives, but each list member (including admins and moderators if they are also members) has her/his own list password. In your subscription scenario, the password is randomly generated. It will be mailed to the member in the list welcome message, and unless disabled by the list or the user, the user will receive a monthly email reminder.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
At 17:05 01/08/2008, Mark Sapiro wrote:
In your subscription scenario, the password is randomly generated. It will be mailed to the member in the list welcome message, and unless disabled by the list or the user, the user will receive a monthly email reminder.
Excellent - thank you!
Regards Rachel
Our list welcome message was sent out to the members by the Secretary yesterday but he sent it as an ordinary mailman@ message and it didn't contain any password in it. We'll have to send another, additional, message, just to get the passwords generated, but I will have to give the Secretary a description of how to do this. Ie
- Log into Mailman control panel
- Scroll down the General Options to "List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome message"
- Enter any text to be sent in the message as well as the password
- ?
- ?
I'd be grateful for help with the rest of this. You'll remember that all the members were subscribed by the Secretary - they didn't subscribe themselves - I can't see how to create and send a welcome message (or a "reminder" message) that includes passwords (ie that the Mailman program recognises as THE welcome message and so will include the passwords).
Hope this makes sense. Rachel
At 17:05 01/08/2008, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Rachel Mawhood wrote:
Obviously, we can't give 400-plus people the Admin or Moderator passwords so that they can view the Archives. Is there a way of having a third password, which we can give to the membership (and reset from time to time), to enable members to view the Archives?
The admin and moderator passwords work (even without email address) for accessing the archives, but each list member (including admins and moderators if they are also members) has her/his own list password. In your subscription scenario, the password is randomly generated. It will be mailed to the member in the list welcome message, and unless disabled by the list or the user, the user will receive a monthly email reminder.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Rachel Mawhood wrote:
Our list welcome message was sent out to the members by the Secretary yesterday but he sent it as an ordinary mailman@ message and it didn't contain any password in it. We'll have to send another, additional, message, just to get the passwords generated, but I will have to give the Secretary a description of how to do this. Ie
Once a person is a list member, you can't send another "welcome" message without unsubscribing and resubscribing the member. You can send a password reminder to everyone on the list by first making sure that "Send monthly password reminders?" on the General Options page is set to Yes and then from a shell, running Mailman's
cron/mailpasswds -l listname
To ensure the welcome is sent when doing mass subscribes in the future
- Log into Mailman control panel
- Scroll down the General Options to "List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome message"
- Enter any text to be sent in the message as well as the password
Optionally enter any additional, list specific text to be sent along with the standard welcome message - this is a one time step.
Make sure that "Send welcome message to newly subscribed members?" is set to Yes - this is a one time step.
When using Membership Management... -> Mass Subscription to add members, make sure that "Send welcome messages to new subscribees?" is set to Yes. This will be the default if step 4 was done.
I'd be grateful for help with the rest of this. You'll remember that all the members were subscribed by the Secretary - they didn't subscribe themselves - I can't see how to create and send a welcome message (or a "reminder" message) that includes passwords (ie that the Mailman program recognises as THE welcome message and so will include the passwords).
Mailman is not going to add the members password to any ordinary message. The only messages to the user that contain the password are the actual Mailman generated list welcome message, the password reminders sent from cron/maillpasswds (normally run monthly on the 1st by cron) and a user requested password reminder from the user options login page.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Hi Mark
Thank you for this - you have saved the day! :-) Cron job run. Everyone now has their password. Phew.
I have done 3 to 5 (of your message) in the control panel, too.
Regards Rachel
At 15:56 10/09/2008, Mark Sapiro wrote:
...
Once a person is a list member, you can't send another "welcome" message without unsubscribing and resubscribing the member. You can send a password reminder to everyone on the list by first making sure that "Send monthly password reminders?" on the General Options page is set to Yes and then from a shell, running Mailman's
cron/mailpasswds -l listname
To ensure the welcome is sent when doing mass subscribes in the future
- Log into Mailman control panel
- Scroll down the General Options to "List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome message"
- Enter any text to be sent in the message as well as the password
Optionally enter any additional, list specific text to be sent along with the standard welcome message - this is a one time step.
Make sure that "Send welcome message to newly subscribed members?" is set to Yes - this is a one time step.
When using Membership Management... -> Mass Subscription to add members, make sure that "Send welcome messages to new subscribees?" is set to Yes. This will be the default if step 4 was done.
...
Mailman is not going to add the members password to any ordinary message. The only messages to the user that contain the password are the actual Mailman generated list welcome message, the password reminders sent from cron/maillpasswds (normally run monthly on the 1st by cron) and a user requested password reminder from the user options login page.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Further to this, one of the members has already lost his password ... :-)
Will I break anything if I go into his Subscriber Options page via the Admin Control panel and Admin password and press the button to send him a reminder of his password?
TVIA Rachel
At 15:52 11/09/2008, Rachel Mawhood wrote:
Hi Mark
Thank you for this - you have saved the day! :-) Cron job run. Everyone now has their password. Phew.
I have done 3 to 5 (of your message) in the control panel, too.
Regards Rachel
At 15:56 10/09/2008, Mark Sapiro wrote:
...
Once a person is a list member, you can't send another "welcome" message without unsubscribing and resubscribing the member. You can send a password reminder to everyone on the list by first making sure that "Send monthly password reminders?" on the General Options page is set to Yes and then from a shell, running Mailman's
cron/mailpasswds -l listname
To ensure the welcome is sent when doing mass subscribes in the future
- Log into Mailman control panel
- Scroll down the General Options to "List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome message"
- Enter any text to be sent in the message as well as the password
Optionally enter any additional, list specific text to be sent along with the standard welcome message - this is a one time step.
Make sure that "Send welcome message to newly subscribed members?" is set to Yes - this is a one time step.
When using Membership Management... -> Mass Subscription to add members, make sure that "Send welcome messages to new subscribees?" is set to Yes. This will be the default if step 4 was done.
...
Mailman is not going to add the members password to any ordinary message. The only messages to the user that contain the password are the actual Mailman generated list welcome message, the password reminders sent from cron/maillpasswds (normally run monthly on the 1st by cron) and a user requested password reminder from the user options login page.
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Rachel Mawhood wrote:
Further to this, one of the members has already lost his password ... :-)
Will I break anything if I go into his Subscriber Options page via the Admin Control panel and Admin password and press the button to send him a reminder of his password?
Actually, he should go the the options login screen at http://www.example.com/mailman/options/list_name and enter his email address at the top and click Remind at the bottom. Then you don't have to be involved other than giving people this instruction.
You can't do exactly what you suggest, because it will take you to the options page at http://www.example.com/mailman/options/list_name/user--at--example.net and you will be already authenticated as admin, so you will be at the options page with no "Remind" button.
You then have to click "Log out" which will take you to the options log in page for the user (but won't log you out as admin) where you can click "Remind".
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Hi Mark
Actually, he should go the the options login screen at http://www.example.com/mailman/options/list_name and enter his email address at the top and click Remind at the bottom.
That URL is serving a 404.
Rachel
At 15:12 19/09/2008, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Rachel Mawhood wrote:
Further to this, one of the members has already lost his password ... :-)
Will I break anything if I go into his Subscriber Options page via the Admin Control panel and Admin password and press the button to send him a reminder of his password?
Actually, he should go the the options login screen at http://www.example.com/mailman/options/list_name and enter his email address at the top and click Remind at the bottom. Then you don't have to be involved other than giving people this instruction.
You can't do exactly what you suggest, because it will take you to the options page at http://www.example.com/mailman/options/list_name/user--at--example.net and you will be already authenticated as admin, so you will be at the options page with no "Remind" button.
You then have to click "Log out" which will take you to the options log in page for the user (but won't log you out as admin) where you can click "Remind".
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Rachel Mawhood wrote:
Actually, he should go the the options login screen at http://www.example.com/mailman/options/list_name and enter his email address at the top and click Remind at the bottom.
That URL is serving a 404.
Yes, well, you weren't actually meant to click on that link in your email. You need to replace "www.example.com" with the proper host name for your server and replace "list_name" with the name of the particular list you're dealing with. Or is that what you tried?
-- Henry
Rachel Mawhood wrote:
Actually, he should go the the options login screen at http://www.example.com/mailman/options/list_name and enter his email address at the top and click Remind at the bottom.
That URL is serving a 404.
Did you modify it appropriately for your installation and list name?
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Did you modify it appropriately for your installation and list name?
Er, user error. :-)
Thank you, Mark and Harry - I've got it now.
Rachel
At 16:42 19/09/2008, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Rachel Mawhood wrote:
Actually, he should go the the options login screen at http://www.example.com/mailman/options/list_name and enter his email address at the top and click Remind at the bottom.
That URL is serving a 404.
Did you modify it appropriately for your installation and list name?
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Hi list
I have customised the html of three pages - general list information, user specific options, and subscribe results - to have the same look and feel as the rest of the client's web site. It appears not to be possible to do the same to the subscriber login and archive pages - is that correct? (I need to be able to explain this, when the client realises this and wants to know why these pages are still in the default Mailman blue and white.)
TVIA Rachel
Rachel Mawhood wrote:
I have customised the html of three pages - general list information, user specific options, and subscribe results - to have the same look and feel as the rest of the client's web site. It appears not to be possible to do the same to the subscriber login and archive pages - is that correct? (I need to be able to explain this, when the client realises this and wants to know why these pages are still in the default Mailman blue and white.)
The archive pages are built from templates and can be fairly easily customised. They can't be customised from the admin GUI, but see <http://wiki.list.org/x/jYA9> and realise that when you customise one of the 4 templates editable via the admin GUI, what you are doing is making a list specific version of the template in lists/<listname>/<language>/<template> as discussed at the above FAQ link. The archive templates have names arch*.html and article.html.
The user options login page is more complicated as it is built on the fly, not from a template. You can change the colors by referring to the section
##### # Web UI defaults #####
in Defaults.py and then overriding those settings you wish to change in mm_cfg.py. Note that these are site wide changes.
You can make other sitewide changes with fairly straightforward code modifications. See the thread "changing Mailman layout" starting at <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-August/062979.html> for example.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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