Tim Van Dyne wrote:

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I just upgraded to 2.1.9 and it seems that Personalization now re-writes the "Sender" or "From" field on all recipients' emails to use the 'description' of the list. I've been unsuccessful in disabling this unless I delete the description field, but then there would be no description on the listinfo page. Is there a quick entry I can put into mm_cfg.py or modify on one of the other files to disable the Sender/From rewrite?

This should have nothing to do with personalization. This is controlled by General Options -> anonymous_list. I realized about an hour after I sent the message that personalization doesn't affect this. But I didn't know that anonymous_list added the description.

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It seems like defaulting to 'No' for personalization starts out ok. Then I change it to 'Yes' and it makes the From field: "list description" <email@address.blah>

I want just: <email@address.blah>

When I change Personalization back to 'No', the effect stays the same. Now I'm unable to get rid of this From field rewrite unless I make a new list.

I don't understand the interactions you discribe unless you are also making other changes. Has to do with me thinking it was personalization somehow.

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We want Personalization in order to use some variables in the footer, and of course to remedy some external user spam filtering issues. But we don't want the Sender/From field to contain the list's description.

Rewriting of the From: header is controlled only by anonymous_list. If anonymous_list is Yes, the From: is rewritten to "Description <list posting address>"; if No, the From: is not rewritten at all.

personalize = Yes does not rewrite message headers. It only expands the replacements available for msg_header and msg_footer.

personalize = Full Personalization rewrites only the To: to the "real name <address>" of the recipient.

Thank you for pointing this out, I will take into account this new direction with 'General Options -> anonymous_list' and see if I can get things working the way we want it.

-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

I'm assuming I would change $prefix/Mailman/Handlers/Cleanse.py somehow then. So, of this, what would I change?:

if mlist.anonymous_list:
    syslog('post', 'post to %s from %s anonymized',
           mlist.internal_name(), msg.get('from'))
    del msg['from']
    del msg['reply-to']
    del msg['sender']
    # Hotmail sets this one
    del msg['x-originating-email']
    i18ndesc = str(uheader(mlist, mlist.description, 'From'))
    msg['From'] = formataddr((i18ndesc, mlist.GetListEmail()))
    msg['Reply-To'] = mlist.GetListEmail() 

Or am I going in the wrong direction? I'm looking to just take the description out of the equation for anonymous_list.

-----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark@msapiro.net] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 2:31 PM To: Tim Van Dyne; mailman-users@python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Personalization - How do I explicitly disableSender field rewrite

Tim Van Dyne wrote:

I realized about an hour after I sent the message that personalization doesn't affect this. But I didn't know that anonymous_list added the description.

The description was added in Mailman 2.1.6.

-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

Tim Van Dyne wrote:

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I'm assuming I would change $prefix/Mailman/Handlers/Cleanse.py somehow then. So, of this, what would I change?:

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   msg['From'] = formataddr((i18ndesc, mlist.GetListEmail()))

Change the above line to

   msg['From'] = mlist.GetListEmail()

Right before you sent that out I found the same exact thing here: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-October/032475.html

Thanks so much for the help. Problem solved.