Apologies if this is a FAQ but I could not find the info.
I have some mailing lists setup on cpanel. One address I have added to my whitelist in spamassain. I also have no auto discard set, with "Discard held messages older than this number of days. Use 0 for no automatic discarding." set to 0.
However, emails from this address come in as auto discarded.
I'd like to prevent that in the future and have the email delivered as normal.
Is there an additional setting I need to configure?
Thanks!
On 9/30/19 8:58 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
I have some mailing lists setup on cpanel. One address I have added to my whitelist in spamassain. I also have no auto discard set, with "Discard held messages older than this number of days. Use 0 for no automatic discarding." set to 0.
This only affects messages which are held for moderation and still waiting moderator action after max_days_to_hold days.
However, emails from this address come in as auto discarded.
For a list of possible reasons for this, see https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2016-July/081004.html.
The most likely reason is the message is HTML only and Mailman's content filtering does not accept HTML. Note that if pass_mime_types is non-empty, convert_html_to_plaintext is only effective if text/html is included in pass_mime_types.
On 10/1/19 11:45 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
For a list of possible reasons for this, see https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2016-July/081004.html.
This has now been summarized in a new FAQ at https://wiki.list.org/x/17892050.
Thanks, Mark. I'm unsure how I missed the moderation for so long as anything due shows on the first page always.
btw, I read the faq page and I do not have a notion what it is saying! I guess it's a faq page for someone in the loop. I'm unsure why it could not have the simple explanation you gave regarding the message still needed to be moderated.
On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 20:05, Mark Sapiro mark@msapiro.net wrote:
On 10/1/19 11:45 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
For a list of possible reasons for this, see https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2016-July/081004.html.
This has now been summarized in a new FAQ at https://wiki.list.org/x/17892050.
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I have a mailing list setup so myself and my wife get emails re our kids, from school, sports clubs, etc. We want everything to come through so I wish there was an option for that!
As reported in this thread I have no auto discard set, with "Discard held messages older than this number of days. Use 0 for no automatic discarding." set to 0. I was told here that the later only affects messages which are held for moderation and still waiting moderator action after max_days_to_hold days.
The faq mentioned is unreadable for a non-expert.
I am still getting auto discard from a club email that sends a pdf newsletter, I have the address whitelisted in cpanel.
Please, can someone advise me?
Cheers,
Tom.
On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 16:35, Tom Corcoran boardtc@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, Mark. I'm unsure how I missed the moderation for so long as anything due shows on the first page always.
btw, I read the faq page and I do not have a notion what it is saying! I guess it's a faq page for someone in the loop. I'm unsure why it could not have the simple explanation you gave regarding the message still needed to be moderated.
On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 20:05, Mark Sapiro mark@msapiro.net wrote:
On 10/1/19 11:45 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
For a list of possible reasons for this, see <https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2016-July/081004.html .
This has now been summarized in a new FAQ at https://wiki.list.org/x/17892050.
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On 10/14/19 3:27 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
The faq mentioned is unreadable for a non-expert.
In order to solve this issue, you need to understand why the messages are being discarded. The FAQ at https://wiki.list.org/x/17892050 lists the various list settings that can cause this. I will try to translate:
MimeDel: Does your list have Content filtering -> filter_content set to Yes. If so, and pass_mime_types is non-empty and does not contain at least multipart text/plain text/html application/pdf Content filtering may be removing the entire message. Simplest solution is to set filter_content Off.
Moderate: probably not the issue in your case.
Scrubber: If your list's Non-digest options -> scrub_nondigest setting is Yes, this is a possibility but not likely. You can set it to No.
SpamDetect: If your list's Privacy options... -> Sender filters -> dmarc_moderation_action is set to Discard, set it to Munge From. The other things under SpamDetect are not likely, but you can check if your list has anything in Privacy options... -> Spam filters -> header_filter_rules with a Discard action.
The above are all settings in Mailman's list admin UI.
I am still getting auto discard from a club email that sends a pdf newsletter, I have the address whitelisted in cpanel.
I don't know what "whitelisted in cpanel" means. It may mean the address is added to Privacy options... -> Sender filters -> accept_these_nonmembers, but if so, that is not relevant.
I hope this helps.
Thanks, Mark.
Having sent my test email with pdf attached I thought all was fine, but an email from a club with pdf was auto discarded this morning :-(
My pass_mime_types is now:
multipart message/rfc822 application/pgp-signature text/plain text/html application/pdf
Looking at the header of the message discarded I see:
MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============12345678=="
Do I need to add multipart/mixed to pass_mime_types or something?
Thanks!
Tom.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 at 19:20, Mark Sapiro mark@msapiro.net wrote:
On 10/14/19 3:27 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
The faq mentioned is unreadable for a non-expert.
In order to solve this issue, you need to understand why the messages are being discarded. The FAQ at https://wiki.list.org/x/17892050 lists the various list settings that can cause this. I will try to translate:
MimeDel: Does your list have Content filtering -> filter_content set to Yes. If so, and pass_mime_types is non-empty and does not contain at least multipart text/plain text/html application/pdf Content filtering may be removing the entire message. Simplest solution is to set filter_content Off.
Moderate: probably not the issue in your case.
Scrubber: If your list's Non-digest options -> scrub_nondigest setting is Yes, this is a possibility but not likely. You can set it to No.
SpamDetect: If your list's Privacy options... -> Sender filters -> dmarc_moderation_action is set to Discard, set it to Munge From. The other things under SpamDetect are not likely, but you can check if your list has anything in Privacy options... -> Spam filters -> header_filter_rules with a Discard action.
The above are all settings in Mailman's list admin UI.
I am still getting auto discard from a club email that sends a pdf newsletter, I have the address whitelisted in cpanel.
I don't know what "whitelisted in cpanel" means. It may mean the address is added to Privacy options... -> Sender filters -> accept_these_nonmembers, but if so, that is not relevant.
I hope this helps.
-- Mark Sapiro mark@msapiro.net
On 10/16/19 1:30 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
Thanks, Mark.
Having sent my test email with pdf attached I thought all was fine, but an email from a club with pdf was auto discarded this morning :-(
My pass_mime_types is now:
multipart message/rfc822 application/pgp-signature text/plain text/html application/pdf
That looks good.
Looking at the header of the message discarded I see:
MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============12345678=="
Do I need to add multipart/mixed to pass_mime_types or something?
No. "multipart" includes all sub-types of multipart. With the settings you have, it is unlikely that content filtering removed all of the message. What are the Content-Types of all of the subparts?. If you can post all the Content-Type headers and boundaries, we can be sure. A simple example of what I mean is:
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_av-SpnTZ0TWNMJ4n1S5X_0G2w" ... --_av-SpnTZ0TWNMJ4n1S5X_0G2w Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 ... --_av-SpnTZ0TWNMJ4n1S5X_0G2w Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 ... --_av-SpnTZ0TWNMJ4n1S5X_0G2w--
thanks, Mark,
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01D583FA.47355D80" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_002A_01D583FA.47355D80" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Type: application/pdf;
Phew!
Tom.
On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 15:43, Mark Sapiro mark@msapiro.net wrote:
On 10/16/19 1:30 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
Thanks, Mark.
Having sent my test email with pdf attached I thought all was fine, but
an
email from a club with pdf was auto discarded this morning :-(
My pass_mime_types is now:
multipart message/rfc822 application/pgp-signature text/plain text/html application/pdf
That looks good.
Looking at the header of the message discarded I see:
MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============12345678=="
Do I need to add multipart/mixed to pass_mime_types or something?
No. "multipart" includes all sub-types of multipart. With the settings you have, it is unlikely that content filtering removed all of the message. What are the Content-Types of all of the subparts?. If you can post all the Content-Type headers and boundaries, we can be sure. A simple example of what I mean is:
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="_av-SpnTZ0TWNMJ4n1S5X_0G2w"
... --_av-SpnTZ0TWNMJ4n1S5X_0G2w Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 ... --_av-SpnTZ0TWNMJ4n1S5X_0G2w Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 ... --_av-SpnTZ0TWNMJ4n1S5X_0G2w--
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On October 16, 2019 9:16:14 AM PDT, Tom Corcoran boardtc@gmail.com wrote:
thanks, Mark,
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01D583FA.47355D80" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_002A_01D583FA.47355D80" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Type: application/pdf;
Ok. It's not content filtering doing the discarding.
What's in Privacy options -> Spam filters?
All my stuff is typically default and not set unless ye told me here. I double-checked and no rules in there....
On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 18:01, Mark Sapiro mark@msapiro.net wrote:
On October 16, 2019 9:16:14 AM PDT, Tom Corcoran boardtc@gmail.com wrote:
thanks, Mark,
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01D583FA.47355D80" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_002A_01D583FA.47355D80" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Type: application/pdf;
Ok. It's not content filtering doing the discarding.
What's in Privacy options -> Spam filters?
On 10/17/19 2:38 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
All my stuff is typically default and not set unless ye told me here. I double-checked and no rules in there....
How do you know when a message is discarded? Do you get a message from Mailman with Subject: Auto-discard notification with the message attached.
If so, the post is from a nonmember and either the nonmember address or a regexp pattern matching the address is in discard_these_nonmembers or generic_nonmember_action is Discard.
Yes, I get the auto discard message with the pdf attached.
Thank you! via http://listhelper.nongnu.org/mailmanconf.html I found where generic_nonmember_action was and discovered that the email address was in the List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically discarded. Crikey. my bad, I must have clicked wrongly one time!
Thanks for your patience Mark! :-)
Tom.
On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 at 15:01, Mark Sapiro mark@msapiro.net wrote:
On 10/17/19 2:38 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
All my stuff is typically default and not set unless ye told me here. I double-checked and no rules in there....
How do you know when a message is discarded? Do you get a message from Mailman with Subject: Auto-discard notification with the message attached.
If so, the post is from a nonmember and either the nonmember address or a regexp pattern matching the address is in discard_these_nonmembers or generic_nonmember_action is Discard.
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