Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?
We're seeing the footer coming along as an attachment on some end-users systems.
I saw a FAQ entry for this behavior with 2.0.x. We're running 2.1.4 and the FAQ article specifies that it is fixed in 2.1.x.
Anyone know what is going on?
Thanks, Hunter
Hunter Hillegas wrote on Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:14:20 -0700:
We're seeing the footer coming along as an attachment on some end-users systems.
Something similar has been mentioned here some days ago. I think this can happen if the mail sent to the list is HTML.
Kai
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Quoting Hunter Hillegas (lists@lastonepicked.com):
That sounds like our situation.
Any way to fix this and retain the message in HTML format?
Not unless you can figure out how to append arbitrary text to an HTML document without parsing the HTML document tree and figuring out how and where to stick it and how to make it visible.
-- Paul Tomblin ptomblin@xcski.com http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ I forsee one of those "open your wallet and repeat after me, _help yourself_" moments in your local friendly workshop. -- Tanuki
That sounds like our situation.
Any way to fix this and retain the message in HTML format?
From: "Kai Schaetzl" maillists@conactive.com Reply-To: mailman-users@python.org Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:32:43 +0200 To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?
Hunter Hillegas wrote on Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:14:20 -0700:
We're seeing the footer coming along as an attachment on some end-users systems.
Something similar has been mentioned here some days ago. I think this can happen if the mail sent to the list is HTML.
Kai
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Come on, you don't want to do that for me? :-)
I figured that was the reason.
Ok. Thanks.
Perhaps this caveat should be noted in the FAQ or doco. It seems like a pretty common scenario, no?
From: Paul Tomblin ptomblin@xcski.com Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:07:50 -0400 To: Mailman mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?
Quoting Hunter Hillegas (lists@lastonepicked.com):
That sounds like our situation.
Any way to fix this and retain the message in HTML format?
Not unless you can figure out how to append arbitrary text to an HTML document without parsing the HTML document tree and figuring out how and where to stick it and how to make it visible.
-- Paul Tomblin ptomblin@xcski.com http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ I forsee one of those "open your wallet and repeat after me, _help yourself_" moments in your local friendly workshop. -- Tanuki
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
At 11:07 AM -0400 2004/04/29, Paul Tomblin wrote:
Any way to fix this and retain the message in HTML format?
Not unless you can figure out how to append arbitrary text to an HTML document without parsing the HTML document tree and figuring out how and where to stick it and how to make it visible.
Moreover, since so many MUAs implement such different standards in displaying HTML, you have to decide which HTML engine you're going to support, and implement a complete version of that system in your mailing list management software so that you can be sure how the proposed changes will actually be displayed, and then kiss off all the rest.
Do you really want to try to implement all versions of all HTML engines throughout the entire world, just to make this work?
-- Brad Knowles, brad.knowles@skynet.be
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info.
At 8:19 AM -0700 2004/04/29, Hunter Hillegas wrote:
Perhaps this caveat should be noted in the FAQ or doco. It seems like a pretty common scenario, no?
I believe that it already is, but I'd have to check.-- Brad Knowles, brad.knowles@skynet.be
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info.
Hunter Hillegas wrote on Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:08:13 -0700:
Any way to fix this and retain the message in HTML format?
Add the footer in HTML and integrate it in the existing message ;-) Better solution: keep HTML off the list, it annoys many people and spoils archiving.
Kai
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Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org
Quoting Kai Schaetzl (maillists@conactive.com):
Hunter Hillegas wrote on Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:08:13 -0700:
Any way to fix this and retain the message in HTML format?
Add the footer in HTML and integrate it in the existing message ;-) Better
Where? Before the </html> tag (if there is one)? Before the </body> tag (if there is one)? Find the last paragraph tag and put it after the end of the text that follows it? What if there are divs and other CSS markup? And what about the principle that you shouldn't mess with the body of a message except for putting clearly marked headers and footers that are obviously not part of the sender's text? Once you start trying to parse the html and put something in it, you're modifying the sender's text, which is evil.
-- Paul Tomblin ptomblin@xcski.com http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ I got accused of being humorless last night. I'm considering quoting Lieutenant Commander Data: "Perhaps the joke was not funny." -- Alan Rosenthal
If this was my call, I would never allow HTML in any email ever.
From: "Kai Schaetzl" maillists@conactive.com Reply-To: mailman-users@python.org Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:32:29 +0200 To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?
Hunter Hillegas wrote on Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:08:13 -0700:
Any way to fix this and retain the message in HTML format?
Add the footer in HTML and integrate it in the existing message ;-) Better solution: keep HTML off the list, it annoys many people and spoils archiving.
Kai
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Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
At 8:19 AM -0700 2004/04/29, Hunter Hillegas wrote:
Perhaps this caveat should be noted in the FAQ or doco. It seems like a pretty common scenario, no?
Okay, this is now in the FAQ. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.016.htp.
Let me know if you think there should be any changes made.-- Brad Knowles, brad.knowles@skynet.be
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info.
Paul Tomblin wrote on Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:39:03 -0400:
And what about the principle that you shouldn't mess with the body of a message except for putting clearly marked headers and footers that are obviously not part of the sender's text? Once you start trying to parse the html and put something in it, you're modifying the sender's text, which is evil.
I only suggested a possible solution, whether you or I like it wasn't the topic ;-) As for modifying the sender's text: I disagree. If you do modify it by adding a footer to the HTML message then you modify it by adding a footer to the plain text message as well. There's really no problem to add a ruler and make clear it's a footer. No difference to a text/plain message.
Kai
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On 29 Apr 2004, at 21:31, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
Paul Tomblin wrote on Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:39:03 -0400:
And what about the principle that you shouldn't mess with the body of a message except for putting clearly marked headers and footers that are obviously not part of the sender's text? Once you start trying to parse the html and put something in it, you're modifying the sender's text, which is evil.
I only suggested a possible solution, whether you or I like it wasn't the topic ;-) As for modifying the sender's text: I disagree. If you do modify it by adding a footer to the HTML message then you modify it by adding a footer to the plain text message as well. There's really no problem to add a ruler and make clear it's a footer. No difference to a text/plain message.
Do I hear a volunteer. Sounds like someone about to break out the text editor and demonstrate what open software is all about.
Kai
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Richard Barrett wrote on Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:35:07 +0100:
Do I hear a volunteer. Sounds like someone about to break out the text editor and demonstrate what open software is all about.
Not me. I'm really not interested in HTML in email in any form :-)
Kai
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