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I want to set up an announce only list and I have fixed the HTML in the public info pages so that the "To post a message to this list..." message is gone. How can I do that in the confirmation e-mail that gets sent to subscribers?
Thanks,
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You can remove the file masthead.txt in the /templates/ folder. That removes the text from the top of each message.
How did you close the list to posts? This seems may more complicated than it needs to be. I have to turn everyones moderation bit on, under membership management. Surely there should be a simple "open" "closed" radio check button under Sender Filters.....
Also how do you turn off the "Create new List" via webpage ? You can't as far as I can see. Mailman is suffering from feature bloat, and is no longer suitable to many deployments.
Paul
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On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:28:07 +0100, Paul Reilly scribbled down:
There is also an extremely detailed account of how to do this under Mailman on the FAQ. Which had the OP read, he would have needed to post frequently answered questions to this mailing list.
Mailman is not suffering from 'feature bloat', if you don't like it - *use* *something* *else*. It's called choice. Go away and exercise it. The tone of your message is rude and unnecessary in the extreme. Did you even think about expressing your 'opinions' on the MLM3 mailing list? Obviously not!
I run an announcements only list and find Mailman to be a breath of fresh air to use. If you don't, find another MLM to use, or code your own, and stop flaming Mailman.
Oh, and typically it's best to quote the relevant bits of text from the post you are replying to with a character such as >, |, etc. it makes it easier for everyone else to read.
-j
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Jamie L. Penman-Smithson wrote:
Wow. Is there some reason you can't simply delete messages that you don't like? Piling more rudeness on certainly doesn't help *anyone*. You talk about choice but obviously you don't think people can have any choice in their own opinions.
You love Mailman, so do I, how about not chasing away current or potential users? Share what you can, delete the rest.
IMHO, YMMV, HTH, HAND.
texas critter
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Should it really take a detailed FAQ entry to explain how to set a list open or closed? This is such a basic requirement it should be obvious. It is obvious in other list management software.
I'm not flaming the list. I expressed some feedback which could be used to make Mailman even better. I want to see the best possible Mailman, and will contribute code if I can. But if the list admin interface is not intuitive and easy to use, then people are not going to use Mailman. That's not good.
Paul
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Paul Reilly schrieb:
How did you close the list to posts?
Set it moderated.
There is. General options, "emergency moderation of all list traffic". BTW, you can also set all members to "moderated" with one click - as you like.
Also how do you turn off the "Create new List" via webpage ?
Why should one want to do it?
You can't as far as I can see. Mailman is suffering from feature bloat, and is no longer suitable to many deployments.
Hear, hear.
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Yes, but that implies an emergency situation. Having a default closed list isn't an emergency situation.
Overall I think Mailman is fantastic. I have been using it for years, but recently, it seems that the number of admin options for list admins is increasingly complex, and even simple tasks like closing a list are not obvious.
I am deploying Mailman in a non-technical environment, and I can't expect my list admins to know about python regular expressions etc. They need a admin interface which is intuitive and easy to use.
Also how do you turn off the "Create new List" via webpage ? Why should one want to do it?
Because in order for the MTA link up to work, I create my lists via the command line. If the feature doesn't work for me via the web, then I'd like the option of turning it off.
Paul
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Paul Reilly schrieb:
There's more than one way to do it ...
If you want a default closed list, you may set all new members to be moderated (1). If you already have a list and want it now moderated, you can set all existing and all new members to moderated (2). And/or you can use "emergency moderation" (3).
Hm. It was not a problem for me when I started to use Mailman some month ago ...
I am deploying Mailman in a non-technical environment, and I can't expect my list admins to know about python regular expressions etc.
Then don't let them use python regular expressions. :)
Sure. But it does not hurt, does it?
-thh
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There's more than one way to do it ...
I know of the 3 ways to do it. But they all seem a bit around a 'bout. Why can't there just be a open/closed radio preference?
Then don't let them use python regular expressions. :)
I don't. But it generates support questions.
Well people click it, (thinking thats the way to create a new list), get an error, and then think it's not working, so call our helpdesk saying there's an error. Even though there's not. There's just no way to turn off this 'feature' if you don't use it. (except by going backwards to an older version of Mailman, or by using another MLM).
Paul
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--On Saturday, April 17, 2004 11:18 AM +0100 Paul Reilly <pareilly@tcd.ie> wrote:
To which I reply:
Make that "There's just no way to turn off this 'feature' that's acceptable to me." You've got the source -- change it however you like.
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Paul Reilly <pareilly@tcd.ie> wrote:
If the feature doesn't work for me via the web, then I'd like the option of turning it off.
This idea could be expanded to an novice/advanced view of the options, where the advanced would show all of the options and categories and the novice view would show only some. The site admin could tweak what is visible in the 'novice' view, add more arbitrary views and the initial default. The list admins might be able to select their preferred view (if the site admin let them), and the list moderators might get only the options that apply to them.
On top of this, more complex options might be created that combine changing several list attributes, so you could show your list owners a simple "open/closed" option which would actually change more than one thing under the hood.
Zoran
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You can remove the file masthead.txt in the /templates/ folder. That removes the text from the top of each message.
How did you close the list to posts? This seems may more complicated than it needs to be. I have to turn everyones moderation bit on, under membership management. Surely there should be a simple "open" "closed" radio check button under Sender Filters.....
Also how do you turn off the "Create new List" via webpage ? You can't as far as I can see. Mailman is suffering from feature bloat, and is no longer suitable to many deployments.
Paul
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On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:28:07 +0100, Paul Reilly scribbled down:
There is also an extremely detailed account of how to do this under Mailman on the FAQ. Which had the OP read, he would have needed to post frequently answered questions to this mailing list.
Mailman is not suffering from 'feature bloat', if you don't like it - *use* *something* *else*. It's called choice. Go away and exercise it. The tone of your message is rude and unnecessary in the extreme. Did you even think about expressing your 'opinions' on the MLM3 mailing list? Obviously not!
I run an announcements only list and find Mailman to be a breath of fresh air to use. If you don't, find another MLM to use, or code your own, and stop flaming Mailman.
Oh, and typically it's best to quote the relevant bits of text from the post you are replying to with a character such as >, |, etc. it makes it easier for everyone else to read.
-j
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Jamie L. Penman-Smithson wrote:
Wow. Is there some reason you can't simply delete messages that you don't like? Piling more rudeness on certainly doesn't help *anyone*. You talk about choice but obviously you don't think people can have any choice in their own opinions.
You love Mailman, so do I, how about not chasing away current or potential users? Share what you can, delete the rest.
IMHO, YMMV, HTH, HAND.
texas critter
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Should it really take a detailed FAQ entry to explain how to set a list open or closed? This is such a basic requirement it should be obvious. It is obvious in other list management software.
I'm not flaming the list. I expressed some feedback which could be used to make Mailman even better. I want to see the best possible Mailman, and will contribute code if I can. But if the list admin interface is not intuitive and easy to use, then people are not going to use Mailman. That's not good.
Paul
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Paul Reilly schrieb:
How did you close the list to posts?
Set it moderated.
There is. General options, "emergency moderation of all list traffic". BTW, you can also set all members to "moderated" with one click - as you like.
Also how do you turn off the "Create new List" via webpage ?
Why should one want to do it?
You can't as far as I can see. Mailman is suffering from feature bloat, and is no longer suitable to many deployments.
Hear, hear.
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Yes, but that implies an emergency situation. Having a default closed list isn't an emergency situation.
Overall I think Mailman is fantastic. I have been using it for years, but recently, it seems that the number of admin options for list admins is increasingly complex, and even simple tasks like closing a list are not obvious.
I am deploying Mailman in a non-technical environment, and I can't expect my list admins to know about python regular expressions etc. They need a admin interface which is intuitive and easy to use.
Also how do you turn off the "Create new List" via webpage ? Why should one want to do it?
Because in order for the MTA link up to work, I create my lists via the command line. If the feature doesn't work for me via the web, then I'd like the option of turning it off.
Paul
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Paul Reilly schrieb:
There's more than one way to do it ...
If you want a default closed list, you may set all new members to be moderated (1). If you already have a list and want it now moderated, you can set all existing and all new members to moderated (2). And/or you can use "emergency moderation" (3).
Hm. It was not a problem for me when I started to use Mailman some month ago ...
I am deploying Mailman in a non-technical environment, and I can't expect my list admins to know about python regular expressions etc.
Then don't let them use python regular expressions. :)
Sure. But it does not hurt, does it?
-thh
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There's more than one way to do it ...
I know of the 3 ways to do it. But they all seem a bit around a 'bout. Why can't there just be a open/closed radio preference?
Then don't let them use python regular expressions. :)
I don't. But it generates support questions.
Well people click it, (thinking thats the way to create a new list), get an error, and then think it's not working, so call our helpdesk saying there's an error. Even though there's not. There's just no way to turn off this 'feature' if you don't use it. (except by going backwards to an older version of Mailman, or by using another MLM).
Paul
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--On Saturday, April 17, 2004 11:18 AM +0100 Paul Reilly <pareilly@tcd.ie> wrote:
To which I reply:
Make that "There's just no way to turn off this 'feature' that's acceptable to me." You've got the source -- change it however you like.
-- Steve Burling <mailto:srb@umich.edu> University of Michigan, ICPSR Voice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910
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Paul Reilly <pareilly@tcd.ie> wrote:
If the feature doesn't work for me via the web, then I'd like the option of turning it off.
This idea could be expanded to an novice/advanced view of the options, where the advanced would show all of the options and categories and the novice view would show only some. The site admin could tweak what is visible in the 'novice' view, add more arbitrary views and the initial default. The list admins might be able to select their preferred view (if the site admin let them), and the list moderators might get only the options that apply to them.
On top of this, more complex options might be created that combine changing several list attributes, so you could show your list owners a simple "open/closed" option which would actually change more than one thing under the hood.
Zoran
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