Hi All,
I'm having a problem with outlook.com and mailman. When I'm trying to send a message through Outlook.com marks it as spam, but when I'm sending a message from the same domain (and IP address), it is accepted without a hitch.
Underneath the headers of a message that is rejected at outlook.com: *x-store-info:4r51+eLowCe79NzwdU2kRyU+pBy2R9QCDI9u8Kc1JelXzetVs2jxqzkjAYPLy37kFX3uWvhbpReT+kd3FNPdHDodYhyNaiuBe10IjgJ9uVS+uLoSKBU3VnG6jNOpx113ilW3cGTstfg=** **Authentication-Results: hotmail.com; spf=pass (sender IP is 5.100.228.36) smtp.mailfrom=multimedia-bounces@timsterk.nl; dkim=none header.d=omroep.nl; x-hmca=pass header.id=multimedia-bounces@timsterk.nl** **X-SID-PRA: multimedia-bounces@timsterk.nl** **X-AUTH-Result: PASS** **X-SID-Result: PASS** **X-Message-Status: n:n** **X-Message-Delivery: Vj0xLjE7dXM9MDtsPTA7YT0wO0Q9MjtHRD0yO1NDTD00** **X-Message-Info: 11chDOWqoTn8iE/ukSoV1IKf/+tjujgtcofeWcH8mN5+omgSD1AOLsWpxZfkXjbeki+FAFVuODCkKqQlTLEmbqmxAv6EBb8AU1OosBVIDZg0IwMEF5IBFbQ8d8fDABaP5BwS6e8fEhibyMgyZZVlOMsuLjg68zz52a+xOkOOje76eIAVTHAuFzBzttwS/avJZnMVYx8SqqkNx/IDKm+v0k83Kfw0rshe** **Received: from hosting.timsterk.nl ([5.100.228.36]) by COL0-MC3-F48.Col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4900);** ** Fri, 4 Oct 2013 01:38:14 -0700** **Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])** ** by hosting.timsterk.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8619B20147B** ** for <rswgooi@hotmail.com>; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 09:38:13 +0100 (WEST)** **X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hosting.timsterk.nl** **Received: from hosting.timsterk.nl ([127.0.0.1])** ** by localhost (hosting.timsterk.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024)** ** with ESMTP id m-as2VKnalxb for <rswgooi@hotmail.com>;** ** Fri, 4 Oct 2013 09:38:12 +0100 (WEST)** **Received: from hosting.timsterk.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])** ** by hosting.timsterk.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C48DD2012C8;** ** Fri, 4 Oct 2013 09:38:09 +0100 (WEST)** **Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])** ** by hosting.timsterk.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9397C201472** ** for <multimedia@lists.timsterk.nl>; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 09:37:25 +0100 (WEST)** **X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hosting.timsterk.nl** **Received: from hosting.timsterk.nl ([127.0.0.1])** ** by localhost (hosting.timsterk.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024)** ** with ESMTP id e2U_TLa8kIQS for <multimedia@lists.timsterk.nl>;** ** Fri, 4 Oct 2013 09:37:25 +0100 (WEST)** **Received: from out1b.mail.omroep.nl (out1b.mail.omroep.nl [145.58.30.185])** ** by hosting.timsterk.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107E9201471** ** for <multimedia@timsterk.nl>; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 09:37:23 +0100 (WEST)** **Received: from localhost (ou1bclean [10.10.30.159])** ** by out1b.mail.omroep.nl (Postfix MTA - NPO ICT) with ESMTP id 1D6AE8016C2** ** for <multimedia@timsterk.nl>; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 10:37:24 +0200 (CEST)** **X-Virus-Scanned: NPO ICT** **Received: from tech1a.mail.omroep.nl (tech1a.mail.omroep.nl [145.58.71.108])** ** by out1b.mail.omroep.nl (Postfix MTA - NPO ICT) with ESMTP id 0D44A8016C0** ** for <multimedia@timsterk.nl>; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 10:37:24 +0200 (CEST)** **Received: from localhost (unknown [IPv6:2a02:458:101:13:21f:d0ff:fe46:e9c1])** ** by tech1a.mail.omroep.nl (Postfix MTA - NPO ICT) with ESMTPSA id D6EBB201270F** ** for <multimedia@timsterk.nl>; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 10:37:23 +0200 (CEST)** **Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 10:37:23 +0200** **From: Tim Sterk <tim.sterk@omroep.nl>** **To: multimedia@timsterk.nl** **Message-ID: <20131004083723.GG12650@omroep.nl>** **MIME-Version: 1.0** **Content-Disposition: inline** **X-Clue: no** **X-Disclaimer: Geregistreerd bij de Kamer van Koophandel Gooi & Eemland onder** ** nummer 32043579 // Registered at the Chamber of Commerce** **User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)** **X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 09:38:09 +0100** **Subject: [Multimedia] test** **X-BeenThere: multimedia@timsterk.nl** **X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15** **Precedence: list** **List-Id: <multimedia.timsterk.nl>** **List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.timsterk.nl/options/multimedia>,** ** <mailto:multimedia-request@timsterk.nl?subject=unsubscribe>** **List-Archive: <http://lists.timsterk.nl/pipermail/multimedia/>** **List-Post: <mailto:multimedia@timsterk.nl>** **List-Help: <mailto:multimedia-request@timsterk.nl?subject=help>** **List-Subscribe: <http://lists.timsterk.nl/listinfo/multimedia>,** ** <mailto:multimedia-request@timsterk.nl?subject=subscribe>** **Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"** **Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit** **Errors-To: multimedia-bounces@timsterk.nl** **Sender: "Multimedia" <multimedia-bounces@timsterk.nl>** **Return-Path: multimedia-bounces@timsterk.nl** **X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2013 08:38:14.0931 (UTC) FILETIME=[1134EE30:01CEC0DD]*
And here are the headers of a mail that is accepted at outlook.com (same domain and IP address, different mailbox): * *
*x-store-info:4r51+eLowCe79NzwdU2kRwMf1FfZT+JrsFvRXoxb8+ayvnrdh+oKXjOe8wu/4p640DTqo9IZ45Y6YK3VLiDKcu2os4ReclBPpL8aPCowl3kiHAlHCIFrzwWTArHbbCKVYYxPfaO3Qvo= Authentication-Results: hotmail.com; spf=pass (sender IP is 5.100.228.36) smtp.mailfrom=support@timsterk.nl; dkim=none header.d=timsterk.nl; x-hmca=pass header.id=support@timsterk.nl X-SID-PRA: support@timsterk.nl X-AUTH-Result: PASS X-SID-Result: PASS X-Message-Status: n:n X-Message-Delivery: Vj0xLjE7dXM9MDtsPTA7YT0wO0Q9MjtHRD0yO1NDTD02 X-Message-Info: 11chDOWqoTnrfMIQP+FCwu6DJt1t4ParbyXJ9vv6T2W9NdIBjkgfv6u6Z1+qbiNH6ai3JaF1T1T2IXvb0FPfzkizWHHkemu7lKn65HwkynFs9F15EDtSjVB+X+89bllsgUPi4KuTRhiltA7fN5yl8cLnKiGHI9MR8lJgSb45GNvZfiB7Ha9tjqQ8czBThIHGDhPhl93dFm57LBZQfy/RzsZ0tWsdXJlq Received: from hosting.timsterk.nl ([5.100.228.36]) by BAY0-MC4-F33.Bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4900); Fri, 4 Oct 2013 01:33:34 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hosting.timsterk.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E98A201471 for <rswgooi@hotmail.com>; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 09:33:33 +0100 (WEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hosting.timsterk.nl Received: from hosting.timsterk.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hosting.timsterk.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UAGeV_fxkzPH for <rswgooi@hotmail.com>; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 09:33:33 +0100 (WEST) Received: from hosting.timsterk.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hosting.timsterk.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2C0472012C8 for <rswgooi@hotmail.com>; Fri, 4 Oct 2013 09:33:32 +0100 (WEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 10:33:32 +0200 From: support@timsterk.nl To: rswgooi@hotmail.com Subject: Test Message-ID: <bb42f5bc9f05bc74b8405ec5a5e37336@timsterk.nl> X-Sender: support@timsterk.nl User-Agent: RoundCube WebMail Return-Path: support@timsterk.nl X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2013 08:33:35.0067 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A6512B0:01CEC0DC]
*Is there anybody who can help me solving this problem?
Thanks in advance!
-- Tim Sterk tim.sterk@gmail.com
On 10/04/2013 05:51 AM, Tim Sterk wrote:
Hi All,
I'm having a problem with outlook.com and mailman. When I'm trying to send a message through Outlook.com marks it as spam, but when I'm sending a message from the same domain (and IP address), it is accepted without a hitch.
Underneath the headers of a message that is rejected at outlook.com:
Rejected or marked as spam? They are not the same. And if it was rejected, where did you find the headers?
*Is there anybody who can help me solving this problem?
Probably only Microsoft, but the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/4oA9> may help.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
On 07-10-13 04:36, Mark Sapiro wrote:
On 10/04/2013 05:51 AM, Tim Sterk wrote:
Hi All,
I'm having a problem with outlook.com and mailman. When I'm trying to send a message through Outlook.com marks it as spam, but when I'm sending a message from the same domain (and IP address), it is accepted without a hitch.
Underneath the headers of a message that is rejected at outlook.com:
Rejected or marked as spam? They are not the same. And if it was rejected, where did you find the headers?
They are moved into the unwanted box, so I was able to view the message and headers from there.
*Is there anybody who can help me solving this problem?
Probably only Microsoft, but the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/4oA9> may help.
The interesting part for me is that this problem only applies to mail sent through mailman, if I'm sending an email to the same address from the same domain name it is accepted without a problem, so I'm thinking that there is something in the headers that triggers this reaction at outlook.com.
p.s. the messages are accepted without a problem at gmail.com (I haven't tried any other major mail providers).
Greetings, Tim Sterk
On 10/09/2013 12:45 AM, Tim Sterk wrote:
They are moved into the unwanted box, so I was able to view the message and headers from there.
So they were not rejected but rather marked as spam and put in a spam box rather than the inbox. Had they been rejected, you wouldn't have seen them at all, and they would have been recorded as a bounce by Mailman.
The interesting part for me is that this problem only applies to mail sent through mailman, if I'm sending an email to the same address from the same domain name it is accepted without a problem, so I'm thinking that there is something in the headers that triggers this reaction at outlook.com.
Exactly. It could be the 'Precedence: list' header or some other header or combination of headers, but only Microsoft knows for sure, and they won't tell you because they consider it proprietary information which would be useful to spammers.
Since you apparently use Mutt and have your own server, you could experiment by resending the message directly with all Mailman's added headers and delete headers one by one to find the header(s) that trigger it, but it is possible that this is a more complex situation than that which depends on the presence of certain headers in combination together with body contents.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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