Hi all, I'm running on a domain of mine that has Mailman installed. The hosting provider moved the account to another server he runs. Ever since, the notify when subscribers added has not worked correctly. We've received bounce notifications disabling the one admin because of too many bounces, but the subscription is not disabled. How does mailman handle this?
Jared Rimer Business website: http://www.superior-software.com/support Personal Website: http://www.asmodean.net/jrimer Music Education Network for the Visually Impaired http://menvi.org a service done through Superior Software level one WBBY Internet Radio and All In Play team up. Learn more http://www.menvi.org/allinplay WBBY Internet Radio: www.wbby.us
Jared Rimer wrote:
I'm running on a domain of mine that has Mailmaninstalled. The hosting provider moved the account to another server he runs. Ever since, the notify when subscribers added has not worked correctly. We've received bounce notifications disabling the one admin because of too many bounces, but the subscription is not disabled. How does mailman handle this?
The fact that a bouncing address happens to be the address of an Owner or Moderator is not relevant to Mailman's bounce processing. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.060.htp
As far as the notices of new subscribers and the disabling is concerned, it seems that mailman can't successfully mail to the owner address or to the matching member address. What does the copy of the bounce in the disable notification say? And where do you receive it?
-- Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Nark and all, This is all we have.
From: mailman@wbby.us To: Woodlake_el_school-owner@wbby.us Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:46:54 -0500 X-BeenThere: Woodlake_el_school@wbby.us X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Sender: mailman-bounces@idea5.anoeticconcepts.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - idea5.anoeticconcepts.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - codeamber.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - idea5.anoeticconcepts.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir:
This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice:
List: Woodlake_el_school Member: woodlake_el_school@yahoo.com Action: Subscription disabled. Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces.The triggering bounce notice is attached below.
Questions? Contact the Mailman site administrator at mailman@wbby.us.
MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Woodlake_el_school subscription notification From: mailman-bounces@wbby.us To: Woodlake_el_school-owner@wbby.us Message-ID: <mailman.0.1129049212.10043.woodlake_el_school_wbby.us@wbby.us> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:46:52 -0500 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: Woodlake_el_school@wbby.us X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Sender: mailman-bounces@wbby.us Errors-To: mailman-bounces@wbby.us
bhavsar <ubhavsah71@yahoo.com> has been successfully subscribed to Woodlake_el_school.
The address isn't even bouncing on the list.
At 16:31 10/28/2005, you wrote:
Jared Rimer wrote:
I'm running on a domain of mine that has Mailmaninstalled. The hosting provider moved the account to another server he runs. Ever since, the notify when subscribers added has not worked correctly. We've received bounce notifications disabling the one admin because of too many bounces, but the subscription is not disabled. How does mailman handle this?
The fact that a bouncing address happens to be the address of an Owner or Moderator is not relevant to Mailman's bounce processing. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.060.htp
As far as the notices of new subscribers and the disabling is concerned, it seems that mailman can't successfully mail to the owner address or to the matching member address. What does the copy of the bounce in the disable notification say? And where do you receive it?
-- Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Jared Rimer Business website: http://www.superior-software.com/support Personal Website: http://www.asmodean.net/jrimer Music Education Network for the Visually Impaired http://menvi.org a service done through Superior Software level one WBBY Internet Radio and All In Play team up. Learn more http://www.menvi.org/allinplay WBBY Internet Radio: www.wbby.us
Jared Rimer wrote:
Nark and all, This is all we have.
From: mailman@wbby.us To: Woodlake_el_school-owner@wbby.us Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:46:54 -0500 X-BeenThere: Woodlake_el_school@wbby.us X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Sender: mailman-bounces@idea5.anoeticconcepts.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - idea5.anoeticconcepts.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - codeamber.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - idea5.anoeticconcepts.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir:
This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice:
List: Woodlake_el_school Member: woodlake_el_school@yahoo.com Action: Subscription disabled. Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces.The triggering bounce notice is attached below.
Questions? Contact the Mailman site administrator at mailman@wbby.us.
MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Woodlake_el_school subscription notification From: mailman-bounces@wbby.us To: Woodlake_el_school-owner@wbby.us Message-ID: <mailman.0.1129049212.10043.woodlake_el_school_wbby.us@wbby.us> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:46:52 -0500 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: Woodlake_el_school@wbby.us X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Sender: mailman-bounces@wbby.us Errors-To: mailman-bounces@wbby.us
bhavsar <ubhavsah71@yahoo.com> has been successfully subscribed to Woodlake_el_school.
This message looks very suspicious (i.e.faked). What do you see in Eudora if you open the message and click 'Blah Blah Blah' to see ALL the headers.
The alleged triggering bounce is not a bounce at all, but a copy of a subscribe notification.
The address isn't even bouncing on the list.
All the more reason to think the message is a fake since the subscription wasn't disabled.
-- Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
I don't have my copy any more, but this has been the problem since we've moved. Shall I re-enable the option to send notifications and when I get another one send it to the list?
At 17:51 10/28/2005, you wrote:
Jared Rimer wrote:
Nark and all, This is all we have.
From: mailman@wbby.us To: Woodlake_el_school-owner@wbby.us Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:46:54 -0500 X-BeenThere: Woodlake_el_school@wbby.us X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Sender: mailman-bounces@idea5.anoeticconcepts.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - idea5.anoeticconcepts.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - codeamber.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - idea5.anoeticconcepts.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir:
This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice:
List: Woodlake_el_school Member: woodlake_el_school@yahoo.com Action: Subscription disabled. Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces.The triggering bounce notice is attached below.
Questions? Contact the Mailman site administrator at mailman@wbby.us.
MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Woodlake_el_school subscription notification From: mailman-bounces@wbby.us To: Woodlake_el_school-owner@wbby.us Message-ID: <mailman.0.1129049212.10043.woodlake_el_school_wbby.us@wbby.us> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:46:52 -0500 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: Woodlake_el_school@wbby.us X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Sender: mailman-bounces@wbby.us Errors-To: mailman-bounces@wbby.us
bhavsar <ubhavsah71@yahoo.com> has been successfully subscribed to Woodlake_el_school.
This message looks very suspicious (i.e.faked). What do you see in Eudora if you open the message and click 'Blah Blah Blah' to see ALL the headers.
The alleged triggering bounce is not a bounce at all, but a copy of a subscribe notification.
The address isn't even bouncing on the list.
All the more reason to think the message is a fake since the subscription wasn't disabled.
-- Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Jared Rimer Business website: http://www.superior-software.com/support Personal Website: http://www.asmodean.net/jrimer Music Education Network for the Visually Impaired http://menvi.org a service done through Superior Software level one WBBY Internet Radio and All In Play team up. Learn more http://www.menvi.org/allinplay WBBY Internet Radio: www.wbby.us
Jared Rimer wrote:
I don't have my copy any more, but this has been the problem since we've moved. Shall I re-enable the option to send notifications and when I get another one send it to the list?
You can do that.
If you're willing to experiment, answers to the following questions would be interesting and helpful.
What does the full 'bounce action notice' look like, complete with all headers and attached parts?
How often does this occur?
Is the subscription really disabled (I think you said no)?
What happens if bounce processing is turned off for the list?
If you have access to Mailman's bounce log, what's there associated with this address?
I guess it is possible that there is some wierd alias loop causing this, but I can't think how. I only say that because the member's user name is apparently the same as the list name although the domains are different.
-- Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
At 18:23 10/28/2005, you wrote:
Jared Rimer wrote:
I don't have my copy any more, but this has been the problem since we've moved. Shall I re-enable the option to send notifications and when I get another one send it to the list?
You can do that.
If you're willing to experiment, answers to the following questions would be interesting and helpful.
What does the full 'bounce action notice' look like, complete with all headers and attached parts?
That's all there is, I'll have to get a copy to show you anything else new.
How often does this occur?
Maybe once a week or two since this occurred.
Is the subscription really disabled (I think you said no)?
No, the subscription is not disabled.
What happens if bounce processing is turned off for the list?
I don't think we'd get bounces that were lidigament if address were inactive or something no?
If you have access to Mailman's bounce log, what's there associated with this address?
That I don't we're running under Cpannel.
I guess it is possible that there is some wierd alias loop causing this, but I can't think how. I only say that because the member's user name is apparently the same as the list name although the domains are different.
Then why isn't my address bounce? We have changed addresses in the past, the hotmail address bounced with the same as before.
-- Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Jared Rimer Business website: http://www.superior-software.com/support Personal Website: http://www.asmodean.net/jrimer Music Education Network for the Visually Impaired http://menvi.org a service done through Superior Software level one WBBY Internet Radio and All In Play team up. Learn more http://www.menvi.org/allinplay WBBY Internet Radio: www.wbby.us
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