Hello - I was wondering if anyone has a way to provide subscribers a simple and easy way to unsubscribe from a mailing list. I do not provide passwords, so I was wondering if there is a simple enter your email address box that I can include on a link in my footers?
Thanks in advance.
Brian Canty
Manager, Computer Information Services
American Psychoanalytic Associaiton
(212) 752-0450 x17
www.apsa.org
Quoting Brian Canty (bcanty@apsa.org):
Hello - I was wondering if anyone has a way to provide subscribers a simple and easy way to unsubscribe from a mailing list. I do not provide passwords, so I was wondering if there is a simple enter your email address box that I can include on a link in my footers?
Wouldn't that allow anyone to enter any email address in that box and unsubscribe them?
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Dave Dewey <ddewey@cyberthugs.com> wrote:
Quoting Brian Canty (bcanty@apsa.org):
Hello - I was wondering if anyone has a way to provide subscribers a simple and easy way to unsubscribe from a mailing list. I do not provide passwords, so I was wondering if there is a simple enter your email address box that I can include on a link in my footers?
Wouldn't that allow anyone to enter any email address in that box and unsubscribe them?
That's correct, and that's usually the problem. There is more than one way to do this with Mailman, but on a mailing list, it means that any user could unsubscribe any other user.
We usually see these one-click unsubscribe buttons on marketing newsletters and similar correspondence, but they don't seem to be a good option for a mailing list. (At least, I haven't figured out how to make it work in a way that would fit with the needs of a mailing list.)
David wrote:
We usually see these one-click unsubscribe buttons on marketing newsletters and similar correspondence, but they don't seem to be a good option for a mailing list. (At least, I haven't figured out how to make it work in a way that would fit with the needs of a mailing list.)
The bigest problem with one-click unsubscribe links is that people don't remove them from the quoted text in their list replies, and even if code is added to the list post processing (e.g., a custom handler) to remove them, people still forward list posts off list with their unsub link intact and then wonder why they got removed from the list when a recipient of the forward maliciously, out of curiosity or thinking it's their link, clicks it.
It's fairly simple to create a one-click unsub link in msg_footer for any list with personalize set to Yes or Full Personalization, but I won't post it here because of the above and because it contains the user's list password in the clear.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:51:51 -0400 "Brian Canty" <bcanty@apsa.org> wrote:
Hello Brian,
Hello - I was wondering if anyone has a way to provide subscribers a simple and easy way to unsubscribe from a mailing list. I do not
What's wrong with the current challenge and response method? Stops people from maliciously (un)subscribing others.
provide passwords, so I was wondering if there is a simple enter your email address box that I can include on a link in my footers?
This would be open to the abuse I mention above, unless a challenge was sent out.
-- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" What will you do when the gas taps turn? The Gasman Cometh - Crass
On Friday, June 29, 2012, 12:39:06 PM, Brad Rogers wrote:
BR> What's wrong with the current challenge and response method? Stops BR> people from maliciously (un)subscribing others.
If there's anything in the content of the list messages that could be construed as an advertisement, the failure to have a one-click (or one email) unsubscribe is a violation of federal law (CAN-SPAM Act) and the FTC regulations promulgated thereunder.
This bugs me, too.
-- Best regards, Robert Braver rbraver@ohww.norman.ok.us
On 6/29/2012 5:39 PM, Robert Braver wrote:
If there's anything in the content of the list messages that could be construed as an advertisement, the failure to have a one-click (or one email) unsubscribe is a violation of federal law (CAN-SPAM Act) and the FTC regulations promulgated thereunder.
As long as you don't set include_rfc2369_headers to No, there will be a List-Unsubscribe: header with both a link to the list options page from which you can unsubscribe and a mailto: link to send an unsubscribe email. I don't know if these satisfy the requirements of the MAY-SPAM act, but I'm not worried.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 06:39:06PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:51:51 -0400 "Brian Canty" <bcanty@apsa.org> wrote:
Hello - I was wondering if anyone has a way to provide subscribers a simple and easy way to unsubscribe from a mailing list. I do not
What's wrong with the current challenge and response method? Stops people from maliciously (un)subscribing others.
Even if it's not primarily intended for that purpose, Mailman is used extensively as (and can be configured as) an announcement list, vs. a traditional discussion list. In that context (where none of the members can post, or learn the email address of other members, and therefore won't accidentally post their unsub link to the list), it makes sense to have a one-click unsubscribe. While you might "maliciously" try to unsubscribe someone you don't like on a discussion list, there are good policy or legal reasons in certain cases to make *subscription* difficult, and *unsubscription* easy.
[Yes, I understand that it's possible to do this already; just responding to the "why" of your question]
While I don't use Mailman for this purpose, I do think that it would be great if the new version had a way to unsubscribe users via some kind of goop, rather than via their password.
w
On 2012-07-28 12:38 PM, William Yardley <mailman@veggiechinese.net> wrote:
Even if it's not primarily intended for that purpose, Mailman is used extensively as (and can be configured as) an announcement list, vs. a traditional discussion list. In that context (where none of the members can post, or learn the email address of other members, and therefore won't accidentally post their unsub link to the list), it makes sense to have a one-click unsubscribe. While you might "maliciously" try to unsubscribe someone you don't like on a discussion list, there are good policy or legal reasons in certain cases to make *subscription* difficult, and *unsubscription* easy.
And as long as a 'Goodbye' message was mailed to the former subscriber, they would at least know they were unsubscribed... and if this happens and the former subscriber resubscribes, some kind of time based security measure could be used to prevent anyone from being one-click unsubscribed more than x times per [week][month][quarter][year][whatever]...
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