Does anyone know if AOL has changed its DMARC policies recently. All of a sudden I am getting lots of AOL bounces, or maybe they have black listed us? nfbnet.org
Hi,
A while back, I was getting irregular AOL bounces. By that, I mean some messages would go through just fine, and some would bounce with the error "AOL will not accept delivery of this message." Very unhelpful, as you can see. Furthermore, if a message bounced, it was probably always going to bounce no matter what you did E.G. send a copy to that particular user rather than a mailing list, etc.
One of my mailing lists has one AOL user who finally got tired of *his* messages to the list being rejected by AOL. We did some investigating, and it turns out they have a whitelist program. I don't know the exact URL but can probably find it if you're interested.
Hope this helps,
Jayson
On 2/13/2017 10:45 PM, David Andrews wrote:
On 02/13/2017 09:33 PM, Jayson Smith wrote:
One of my mailing lists has one AOL user who finally got tired of *his* messages to the list being rejected by AOL.
Some time ago, I noticed that when an AOL user posts to a list, the list copy sent back to that user, but not other AOL users, was always rejected with the "AOL will not accept delivery of this message." reason. This is similar to Gmail (see <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030680>) except Gmail just drops the message rather than bouncing it.
Anyway, I just set all the AOL list members to not receive their own posts (they weren't receiving them anyway), and that worked around the problem.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
At 08:57 AM 2/14/2017, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Well I will have to investigate further and see if that is the problem. You said "some time ago," and it is recent with me, which means it could be something else, or not. Have you written, or is there a script to go through all lists and change attribute, and/or would it work to send them post acknowledgement? With 300 lists and over 12,000 users I can't really do it by hand.
Dave
On 02/14/2017 07:40 AM, David Andrews wrote:
True, but you should be able to tell from mail logs or Mailman's bounce log. I.e., when an AOL user posts, does only the delivery to that AOL user bounce or does delivery to all AOL users bounce.
The former was my case.
Here's a withlist script. Save it in Mailman's bin/ directory as aol_notmetoo.py
------------------------------- cut here ------------------------------- from Mailman import mm_cfg
def aol_notmetoo(mlist): if not mlist.Locked(): mlist.Lock() for member in mlist.getMembers(): if member.lower().endswith('@aol.com'): mlist.setMemberOption( member, mm_cfg.DontReceiveOwnPosts, 1) # If you don't want to set 'ack' remove the next two lines mlist.setMemberOption( member, mm_cfg.AcknowledgePosts, 1) mlist.Save() mlist.Unlock() ------------------------------- cut here -------------------------------
Then you can run this via withlist
bin/withlist -a -r aol_notmetoo
That will set 'not metoo' and optionally 'ack' for every @aol.com member on every list
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
On 02/13/2017 07:45 PM, David Andrews wrote:
Back to the original question.
I don't think AOL has changed anything with respect to DMARC. If it is not the case that these are bounces of users own posts, then there is another issue. What do the bounces (or rejects in the mail log) say is the reason?
You may find <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030690> helpful.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Hi,
A while back, I was getting irregular AOL bounces. By that, I mean some messages would go through just fine, and some would bounce with the error "AOL will not accept delivery of this message." Very unhelpful, as you can see. Furthermore, if a message bounced, it was probably always going to bounce no matter what you did E.G. send a copy to that particular user rather than a mailing list, etc.
One of my mailing lists has one AOL user who finally got tired of *his* messages to the list being rejected by AOL. We did some investigating, and it turns out they have a whitelist program. I don't know the exact URL but can probably find it if you're interested.
Hope this helps,
Jayson
On 2/13/2017 10:45 PM, David Andrews wrote:
On 02/13/2017 09:33 PM, Jayson Smith wrote:
One of my mailing lists has one AOL user who finally got tired of *his* messages to the list being rejected by AOL.
Some time ago, I noticed that when an AOL user posts to a list, the list copy sent back to that user, but not other AOL users, was always rejected with the "AOL will not accept delivery of this message." reason. This is similar to Gmail (see <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030680>) except Gmail just drops the message rather than bouncing it.
Anyway, I just set all the AOL list members to not receive their own posts (they weren't receiving them anyway), and that worked around the problem.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
At 08:57 AM 2/14/2017, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Well I will have to investigate further and see if that is the problem. You said "some time ago," and it is recent with me, which means it could be something else, or not. Have you written, or is there a script to go through all lists and change attribute, and/or would it work to send them post acknowledgement? With 300 lists and over 12,000 users I can't really do it by hand.
Dave
On 02/14/2017 07:40 AM, David Andrews wrote:
True, but you should be able to tell from mail logs or Mailman's bounce log. I.e., when an AOL user posts, does only the delivery to that AOL user bounce or does delivery to all AOL users bounce.
The former was my case.
Here's a withlist script. Save it in Mailman's bin/ directory as aol_notmetoo.py
------------------------------- cut here ------------------------------- from Mailman import mm_cfg
def aol_notmetoo(mlist): if not mlist.Locked(): mlist.Lock() for member in mlist.getMembers(): if member.lower().endswith('@aol.com'): mlist.setMemberOption( member, mm_cfg.DontReceiveOwnPosts, 1) # If you don't want to set 'ack' remove the next two lines mlist.setMemberOption( member, mm_cfg.AcknowledgePosts, 1) mlist.Save() mlist.Unlock() ------------------------------- cut here -------------------------------
Then you can run this via withlist
bin/withlist -a -r aol_notmetoo
That will set 'not metoo' and optionally 'ack' for every @aol.com member on every list
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
On 02/13/2017 07:45 PM, David Andrews wrote:
Back to the original question.
I don't think AOL has changed anything with respect to DMARC. If it is not the case that these are bounces of users own posts, then there is another issue. What do the bounces (or rejects in the mail log) say is the reason?
You may find <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030690> helpful.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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