Question on /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/LISTNAME/attachments/
I see files in var/lib/mailman/archives/private/LISTNAME/attachments/. I did some searching and found that :
The stored attachments have been scrubbed from the 'plain' format digest. This happens whether or not anyone actually subscribes to the 'plain' format digest. The only way to avoid it with configuration settings is to set Digest options -> digestable to No (i.e. disable digests).
Otherwise, you could set up a cron to periodically remove them, but then if you actually have 'plain' digest sebscribers, you'll break the links in their digests.
Some of the lists that that files in attachments does not have archived turned on and no users do not have digest set.
So if I under stand this these attachments are kept because under “digest options” “digestible is set to “on”. Is that correct? So even if no user have digest on , the list keeps attachments?
So what is the best way to clear these files, can I just clear out the attachments directory? If no users have digest set , then this will be un notable. But if user have digest on and it is set to PLAIN, then that could be an issue?
On 3/12/21 12:51 PM, Bader, Robert (Bob) wrote:
I see files in var/lib/mailman/archives/private/LISTNAME/attachments/. I did some searching and found that :
You posted this exact message to this list two days ago and it was answered then. See <https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/thread/U5AWXTP2TPQKL2TDBMMYUEXQZLPB2HSI/>.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Hello,
It appears to be starting again for our list. Fatal bounces but ONLY on ATT.net. Here is what Google says:
DMARC and DKIM passed. However, this may have been the bounce message to me.
Below is the bounce message to me. I see a DKIM Pass and a DKIM Fail. Can anyone shed any other light as to why these ATT addresses are ALL failing?
Thanks, Steve
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On 3/12/21 1:39 PM, steve lund wrote:
Hello,
It appears to be starting again for our list. Fatal bounces but ONLY on ATT.net. Here is what Google says: ...
<...@att.net>: host ff-ip4-mx-vip1.prodigy.net[144.160.159.21] said: 553 5.3.0 flpd599 DNSBL:RBL 521< 45.33.97.191 >_is_blocked.For assistance forward this error to abuse_rbl@abuse-att.net (in reply to MAIL FROM command)
It may be a coincidence, but I started seeing the same bounces on one of my servers (thankfully not mail.python.org or lists.mailman3.org) about two days ago.
ATT is blocking your IP.
In my case, I sent this to abuse_rbl@abuse-att.net.
You are blocking all mail from IP 138.68.52.125 per this log message.
Mar 12 09:59:32 grizz postfix/smtp[10965]: D0CAF1F8123: to=<...>, relay=ff-ip4-mx-vip2.prodigy.net[144.160.159.22]:25, delay=0.38, delays=0.1/0/0.27/0.01, dsn=5.3.0, status=bounced (host ff-ip4-mx-vip2.prodigy.net[144.160.159.22] said: 553 5.3.0 flph832 DNSBL:RBL 521< 138.68.52.125 >_is_blocked.For assistance forward this error to abuse_rbl@abuse-att.net (in reply to MAIL FROM command))
This mail is from an opt-in email discussion list or other business related mail from a bicycle club. We do not send spam or unsolicited commercial email. Please remove this block.
I received this reply.
Thank you for contacting the AT&T Postmaster Staff.
We investigate every block report and removal request we receive and take the appropriate action, of which you will be notified. It is never the intention of the AT&T Postmaster staff to block legitimate mail. It is a rare but unfortunate occurrence that legitimate correspondence is blocked as a result of careful yet vigorous anti-spam and abuse countermeasures. We would like to rectify your mail delivery issue as soon as possible with your help. By emailing this address you have already taken the first step in resolving this issue.
When the AT&T Postmaster staff receives a request with the needed information requests are evaluated. If granted, the block will be removed within 24 to 48 hours. There are situations when mail interruptions or blocks are in place outside the AT&T domain. In these cases, we will attempt to make contact with the party initiating the block and seek a resolution. If there is no change after 48 hours please include the current and complete error message that you are receiving in your follow up email to <abuse_rbl@abuse-att.net>.
For more information about email best practices and mail delivery issues visit:
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We reserve the right to deny or turn down a request if our research shows the requested IP(s) being a violator of SPAM or abuse policies currently, or in the past.
We at AT&T thank you for your assistance in reporting this matter and appreciate your patience while we investigate this issue.
AT&T Postmaster Staff
As of 03:30 PST this morning the block had not been removed.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
On 3/13/21 11:00 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
As of 03:30 PST this morning the block had not been removed.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
There is definitely an increase in AT&T blocking mail servers recently. I had about 5 out of the blue get blocked. Too date, AT&T has never presented any evidence for their decision to block one our IP addresses. I do know they block new server IPs automatically. The real problem here is how long they are taking to respond to block removal requests. Out of the 5 I had to deal with recently, one of them took 10 DAYS for them to remove the block. I am assuming the reason behind this lengthy delay is a deluge of block removal requests that they are having to deal with.
-- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com
On 3/13/21 10:33 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote:
Too date, AT&T has never presented any evidence for their decision to block one our IP addresses.
My experience in dealing with blocks by ATT, Microsoft and other ISPs is that they (eventually) remove the blocks, but never once have they provided me with any evidence of the alleged problem email.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
On 3/13/21 11:51 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
On 3/13/21 10:33 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote:
Too date, AT&T has never presented any evidence for their decision to block one our IP addresses.
My experience in dealing with blocks by ATT, Microsoft and other ISPs is that they (eventually) remove the blocks, but never once have they provided me with any evidence of the alleged problem email.
I have seen that as well, both with mailing lists and other emails. The best I can get from anyone there is, "we wouldn't have blocked it if there weren't an issue," but that doesn't tell me what the issue was (or is) so I can address the issue (assuming there actually was one). And even with my IP addresses set up in their tracking and reporting systems and affiliated with an administrative email address, I have never received any reports or warnings that something was about to happen. Instead I get complaints about bounces or non-delivery from my clients...
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On 3/13/21 12:17 PM, Keith Seyffarth wrote:
On 3/13/21 11:51 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
My experience in dealing with blocks by ATT, Microsoft and other ISPs is that they (eventually) remove the blocks, but never once have they provided me with any evidence of the alleged problem email.
I have seen that as well, both with mailing lists and other emails. The best I can get from anyone there is, "we wouldn't have blocked it if there weren't an issue," but that doesn't tell me what the issue was (or is) so I can address the issue (assuming there actually was one). And even with my IP addresses set up in their tracking and reporting systems and affiliated with an administrative email address, I have never received any reports or warnings that something was about to happen. Instead I get complaints about bounces or non-delivery from my clients...
That too is completely consistent with my experience.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Mark,
Thanks for your response. So ATT is apparently blocking the email server of our website host.I have notified our web host so hopefully something good will happen eventually.
BTW, so what is this "Registering" an email server with an ISP domain? I assume that it is basically telling them that it is a legitimate email server. Is it worthwhile trying to get our web host to do this or a waste of time? I guess has anyone seen positive results from doing so?
Thanks, Steve
On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 11:00 AM Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> wrote:
On 3/12/21 1:39 PM, steve lund wrote:
Hello,
It appears to be starting again for our list. Fatal bounces but ONLY on ATT.net. Here is what Google says: ...
<...@att.net>: host ff-ip4-mx-vip1.prodigy.net[144.160.159.21] said: 553 5.3.0 flpd599 DNSBL:RBL 521< 45.33.97.191 >_is_blocked.For assistance forward this error to abuse_rbl@abuse-att.net (in reply to MAIL FROM command)
It may be a coincidence, but I started seeing the same bounces on one of my servers (thankfully not mail.python.org or lists.mailman3.org) about two days ago.
ATT is blocking your IP.
In my case, I sent this to abuse_rbl@abuse-att.net.
You are blocking all mail from IP 138.68.52.125 per this log message.
Mar 12 09:59:32 grizz postfix/smtp[10965]: D0CAF1F8123: to=<...>, relay=ff-ip4-mx-vip2.prodigy.net[144.160.159.22]:25, delay=0.38, delays=0.1/0/0.27/0.01, dsn=5.3.0, status=bounced (host ff-ip4-mx-vip2.prodigy.net[144.160.159.22] said: 553 5.3.0 flph832 DNSBL:RBL 521< 138.68.52.125 >_is_blocked.For assistance forward this error to abuse_rbl@abuse-att.net (in reply to MAIL FROM command))
This mail is from an opt-in email discussion list or other business related mail from a bicycle club. We do not send spam or unsolicited commercial email. Please remove this block.
I received this reply.
Thank you for contacting the AT&T Postmaster Staff.
We investigate every block report and removal request we receive and take the appropriate action, of which you will be notified. It is never the intention of the AT&T Postmaster staff to block legitimate mail. It is a rare but unfortunate occurrence that legitimate correspondence is blocked as a result of careful yet vigorous anti-spam and abuse countermeasures. We would like to rectify your mail delivery issue as soon as possible with your help. By emailing this address you have already taken the first step in resolving this issue.
When the AT&T Postmaster staff receives a request with the needed information requests are evaluated. If granted, the block will be removed within 24 to 48 hours. There are situations when mail interruptions or blocks are in place outside the AT&T domain. In these cases, we will attempt to make contact with the party initiating the block and seek a resolution. If there is no change after 48 hours please include the current and complete error message that you are receiving in your follow up email to <abuse_rbl@abuse-att.net>.
For more information about email best practices and mail delivery issues visit:
https://www.att.com/esupport/postmaster/
We reserve the right to deny or turn down a request if our research shows the requested IP(s) being a violator of SPAM or abuse policies currently, or in the past.
We at AT&T thank you for your assistance in reporting this matter and appreciate your patience while we investigate this issue.
AT&T Postmaster Staff
As of 03:30 PST this morning the block had not been removed.
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On 3/13/21 7:15 PM, steve lund wrote:
Thanks for your response. So ATT is apparently blocking the email server of our website host.I have notified our web host so hopefully something good will happen eventually.
BTW, so what is this "Registering" an email server with an ISP domain? I assume that it is basically telling them that it is a legitimate email server. Is it worthwhile trying to get our web host to do this or a waste of time? I guess has anyone seen positive results from doing so?
AT&T doesn't allow such a process. Microsoft has a great program called SNDS that I recommend having your web host look into, especially if they are hosting mailing lists.
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steve lund writes:
BTW, so what is this "Registering" an email server with an ISP domain?
What it says. Other than putting your domain and IP on a list, I know of no policy that's common to most such programs. :-(
Is it worthwhile trying to get our web host to do this
In general, yes. Some ISPs have provided services such as reports on issues related to your domain or IP as a sender, and while history suggests that they think that their users get a lot madder about one spam message than they do about one undelivered mail, users do care about lost mail. I'm sure they genuinely intend these programs to help your mail get through to subscribers at their services. (I don't know if any currently offer such services to registered domains.)
The ones that are reasonably good at this are providers like Gmail, Yahoo!, and O365, whose business model (at least at one time) involved provision of excellent email hosting.
There is some administrative effort required, so you could check what domains your subscribers are using and see if they have registration programs, what information they want, and what benefits they offer when you approach your host. This is the kind of thing that experienced mail hosting services do for you; you may find that they already do this "in general", and haven't registered with ATT only because ATT doesn't have a program. :-(
Steve
Steve,
Thanks for the info. I'll check with out web host / mail provider.
Thanks, Steve
On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 10:46 AM Stephen J. Turnbull < turnbull.stephen.fw@u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote:
steve lund writes:
BTW, so what is this "Registering" an email server with an ISP domain?
What it says. Other than putting your domain and IP on a list, I know of no policy that's common to most such programs. :-(
Is it worthwhile trying to get our web host to do this
In general, yes. Some ISPs have provided services such as reports on issues related to your domain or IP as a sender, and while history suggests that they think that their users get a lot madder about one spam message than they do about one undelivered mail, users do care about lost mail. I'm sure they genuinely intend these programs to help your mail get through to subscribers at their services. (I don't know if any currently offer such services to registered domains.)
The ones that are reasonably good at this are providers like Gmail, Yahoo!, and O365, whose business model (at least at one time) involved provision of excellent email hosting.
There is some administrative effort required, so you could check what domains your subscribers are using and see if they have registration programs, what information they want, and what benefits they offer when you approach your host. This is the kind of thing that experienced mail hosting services do for you; you may find that they already do this "in general", and haven't registered with ATT only because ATT doesn't have a program. :-(
Steve
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