I've spent a lot of time over the last few days trying to make htdig work with my installation of mailman 2.1.5. I installed the patches and rebuilt everything, set up the configuration, rebuilt my archives using arch and everything seemed (mostly) fine until I tried to index the archive and do a search.
The indexing problem I have is an htdig issue (segmentation fault while running htfuzzy) so I won't go into that.
Even with that problem during the index process, I can use htsearch from the command line and it gives me a valid search response. When I try to do a search from the form on the archive index page, it bombs badly and just gives me a useless error message (something like Search failed 12).
I noticed in the documentation that the 3.2 version of htdig is not supported by the patches for using htdig with mailman. I've tried rolling it back to version 3.1.6 but am having difficulty getting it to install so it looks like for the moment I am stuck with 3.2
Is there any way to get this patch to work with the 3.2 version of htdig? Is there any plan to support this in the future?
Dragon
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Dragon wrote:
Is there any way to get this patch to work with the 3.2 version of htdig? Is there any plan to support this in the future?
I can't speak to plans for modifying Richard Barrett's patches, but integrating archive search is definitely on the list for Mailman 3.
-- Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Dragon wrote:
What is the expected time frame for release of Mailman 3?
As with most volunteer based projects, "when it's ready". I know that's not a satisfactory answer, but with a project of this nature that's anything farther out than 'imminent', that's the best we can do. Any attempt to be more precise is likely to be wrong in one direction or the other.
Where can I find more info or a road map for this release?
Start at http://mailman.sourceforge.net/devs.html
-- Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
At 3:14 PM -0500 2006-02-27, Jeff Donsbach wrote:
No, I wouldn't say it's stalled. Maybe the online stuff is temporarily paused for the moment, but there's a Python sprint going on right now and I think a lot of people have been involved in helping to get that going, and are participating quite heavily in that process -- part of the sprint may be to do work on Mailman, among other things.
I would expect things to pick up again once the sprint is over.-- Brad Knowles, <brad@stop.mail-abuse.org>
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755LOPSA member since December 2005. See <http://www.lopsa.org/>.
"Jeff" == Jeff Donsbach <jeff.donsbach@gmail.com> writes:
Jeff> Based on the lack of traffic to the mailman3-dev mailing
Jeff> list, is it a safe assumption that Mailman3 development is
Jeff> stalled? (Please, devs, don't take this as criticism. It is
Jeff> just a question).No. Besides what Brad said about Python conference and sprinting, there's really only one person, Barry Warsaw, who has done nearly all of the work on the existing Mailman 3 code base, I believe. While he's been pretty good about talking about requirements off and on, as a day-to-day matter there's not much need for public comment about what code changes he's making (if any). Even the CVS logs won't necessarily be indicative of what work is taking place in his personal sandbox.
If you have some "real lists" that you could "sacrifice" as beta test guinea pigs, or if you want to contribute significant functionality, that might kick-start communication. But AFAIK the code base is still rather incomplete even for basic functionality, not beta-test ready, and the other active developers are mostly focused on ongoing maintenance and improvement of Mailman 2.x which is necessary for the near future.
-- School of Systems and Information Engineering http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.
dragon@crimson-dragon.com, 11:48 AM (-0800) Monday, February 27, 2006:
Not this is necessarily of much help, but I was in a similar situation recently and ended up giving up on htdig entirely and using swish-e instead. It wasn't as easy to set up (as htdig integration) but it works and seems much faster to use.
-- -- Michael Dunston -- Music and Technology -- <http://www.music.vt.edu/> -- Virginia Tech Department of Music
michael dunston said the following on 2/28/2006 2:31 AM:
I don't recall having to do anything special in this situation. I'm running 2.1.7 with htdig 3.2.0b6 ...
I did customize my htdig setup, so that my logo, color scheme and such are used, and I put all that in the templates/en/htdig_conf.txt file. But I don't recall doing anything particularly special there.
Best, --Glenn
-- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
Glenn Sieb said the following on 2/28/2006 12:50 PM:
In case anyone is interested, here are my html files (from $SHAREBASE/htdig/common/.) and my conf file (from $USRBASE/mailman/templates/en/.)
Best, --Glenn
-- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
Glenn Sieb said the following on 2/28/2006 1:13 PM:
How about.. if anyone's interested I can email it backchannel LOL :)
Best, --G.
-- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
Dragon wrote:
Is there any way to get this patch to work with the 3.2 version of htdig? Is there any plan to support this in the future?
I can't speak to plans for modifying Richard Barrett's patches, but integrating archive search is definitely on the list for Mailman 3.
-- Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Dragon wrote:
What is the expected time frame for release of Mailman 3?
As with most volunteer based projects, "when it's ready". I know that's not a satisfactory answer, but with a project of this nature that's anything farther out than 'imminent', that's the best we can do. Any attempt to be more precise is likely to be wrong in one direction or the other.
Where can I find more info or a road map for this release?
Start at http://mailman.sourceforge.net/devs.html
-- Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
At 3:14 PM -0500 2006-02-27, Jeff Donsbach wrote:
No, I wouldn't say it's stalled. Maybe the online stuff is temporarily paused for the moment, but there's a Python sprint going on right now and I think a lot of people have been involved in helping to get that going, and are participating quite heavily in that process -- part of the sprint may be to do work on Mailman, among other things.
I would expect things to pick up again once the sprint is over.-- Brad Knowles, <brad@stop.mail-abuse.org>
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755LOPSA member since December 2005. See <http://www.lopsa.org/>.
"Jeff" == Jeff Donsbach <jeff.donsbach@gmail.com> writes:
Jeff> Based on the lack of traffic to the mailman3-dev mailing
Jeff> list, is it a safe assumption that Mailman3 development is
Jeff> stalled? (Please, devs, don't take this as criticism. It is
Jeff> just a question).No. Besides what Brad said about Python conference and sprinting, there's really only one person, Barry Warsaw, who has done nearly all of the work on the existing Mailman 3 code base, I believe. While he's been pretty good about talking about requirements off and on, as a day-to-day matter there's not much need for public comment about what code changes he's making (if any). Even the CVS logs won't necessarily be indicative of what work is taking place in his personal sandbox.
If you have some "real lists" that you could "sacrifice" as beta test guinea pigs, or if you want to contribute significant functionality, that might kick-start communication. But AFAIK the code base is still rather incomplete even for basic functionality, not beta-test ready, and the other active developers are mostly focused on ongoing maintenance and improvement of Mailman 2.x which is necessary for the near future.
-- School of Systems and Information Engineering http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.
dragon@crimson-dragon.com, 11:48 AM (-0800) Monday, February 27, 2006:
Not this is necessarily of much help, but I was in a similar situation recently and ended up giving up on htdig entirely and using swish-e instead. It wasn't as easy to set up (as htdig integration) but it works and seems much faster to use.
-- -- Michael Dunston -- Music and Technology -- <http://www.music.vt.edu/> -- Virginia Tech Department of Music
michael dunston said the following on 2/28/2006 2:31 AM:
I don't recall having to do anything special in this situation. I'm running 2.1.7 with htdig 3.2.0b6 ...
I did customize my htdig setup, so that my logo, color scheme and such are used, and I put all that in the templates/en/htdig_conf.txt file. But I don't recall doing anything particularly special there.
Best, --Glenn
-- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
Glenn Sieb said the following on 2/28/2006 12:50 PM:
In case anyone is interested, here are my html files (from $SHAREBASE/htdig/common/.) and my conf file (from $USRBASE/mailman/templates/en/.)
Best, --Glenn
-- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
Glenn Sieb said the following on 2/28/2006 1:13 PM:
How about.. if anyone's interested I can email it backchannel LOL :)
Best, --G.
-- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
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