Hello, everyone.
What setting do I need to change in order to have mail sent to Mailman lists show two e-mail addresses for reply ? I have been a member of other lists in the past and remember mail having the address of the list plus the address of the sender displayed. My own lists are only showing the address of the list for reply and the address of the sender does not appear. How can I change this behavior ?
Thanks,
Joe.
On 06/23/2013 08:28 PM, Joe wrote:
What setting do I need to change in order to have mail sent to Mailman lists show two e-mail addresses for reply ? I have been a member of other lists in the past and remember mail having the address of the list plus the address of the sender displayed. My own lists are only showing the address of the list for reply and the address of the sender does not appear. How can I change this behavior ?
In the web admin interface on the General Options page under Reply-To: header munging set first_strip_reply_to to No and reply_goes_to_list to Poster.
With these settings, a simple 'reply' will go to the sender or the sender's Reply-To; 'reply-all' will go to the sender, the list and any other explicit recipients of the post, and 'reply-list' if your MUA supports it will go to just the list.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Hi, Mark.
Is it possible to do the opposite ?
I would like to have mail addressed to the list with a simple 'Reply' and addressed to both the list and the sender with a 'Reply All'.
Can Mailman be configured to behave this way ?
Thank you,
Joe.
On June 24, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> wrote:
On 06/24/2013 12:24 PM, Joe wrote:
I would like to have mail addressed to the list with a simple 'Reply' and addressed to both the list and the sender with a 'Reply All'.
Can Mailman be configured to behave this way ?
Not reliably. If you want a simple 'reply' to go to the list, you need to set reply_goes_to_list to This list so that Mailman will put a Reply-To: header with the list address in delivered messages. What 'reply-all' will do in this circumstance is MUA dependent. Some MUAs will reply to the list address which is in both To: and Reply-To: and the sender address in From:, but others will assume (correctly) that Reply-To: overrides From: and not include the From: address in 'reply-all'
More importantly, with this configuration, there is no way to reply to the sender only without editing the recipients when composing the reply.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Joe writes:
No. Replies are generated by subscriber-side mail clients, not by Mailman. Mailman *already* *by default* provides enough information for them to do what you suggest on simple replies[1] (and IMHO that should be default behavior!), and then Reply All would Just Work Right. But mostly they don't (in any configuration, let alone by default). As Mark explains, the Reply-To header can't be used because it breaks Reply All.[2]
IIRC Mozilla Thunderbird and Sylpheed (and maybe Evolution) do this right. But trying to convince subscribers to change their MUAs is like trying to get addicts to give up their drugs. :-(
A few other clients (Mutt, Emacs/Gnus) have a reply-to-list function, which often does the right thing (ie, fall back to reply-to-author if it can't figure out what list is meant). It is easier to get them to use the function if already present in their client, but that's quite a bit of work for somebody to find out what clients people are using and if they have the function.
Footnotes: [1] The RFC 2369 "List-Post" header.
[2] This is because the definition of "Reply-To" in the email standard is "The *author* says he doesn't want replies to go to 'From', he wants you to use this address. Thank you!"
On 06/23/2013 08:28 PM, Joe wrote:
What setting do I need to change in order to have mail sent to Mailman lists show two e-mail addresses for reply ? I have been a member of other lists in the past and remember mail having the address of the list plus the address of the sender displayed. My own lists are only showing the address of the list for reply and the address of the sender does not appear. How can I change this behavior ?
In the web admin interface on the General Options page under Reply-To: header munging set first_strip_reply_to to No and reply_goes_to_list to Poster.
With these settings, a simple 'reply' will go to the sender or the sender's Reply-To; 'reply-all' will go to the sender, the list and any other explicit recipients of the post, and 'reply-list' if your MUA supports it will go to just the list.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Hi, Mark.
Is it possible to do the opposite ?
I would like to have mail addressed to the list with a simple 'Reply' and addressed to both the list and the sender with a 'Reply All'.
Can Mailman be configured to behave this way ?
Thank you,
Joe.
On June 24, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> wrote:
On 06/24/2013 12:24 PM, Joe wrote:
I would like to have mail addressed to the list with a simple 'Reply' and addressed to both the list and the sender with a 'Reply All'.
Can Mailman be configured to behave this way ?
Not reliably. If you want a simple 'reply' to go to the list, you need to set reply_goes_to_list to This list so that Mailman will put a Reply-To: header with the list address in delivered messages. What 'reply-all' will do in this circumstance is MUA dependent. Some MUAs will reply to the list address which is in both To: and Reply-To: and the sender address in From:, but others will assume (correctly) that Reply-To: overrides From: and not include the From: address in 'reply-all'
More importantly, with this configuration, there is no way to reply to the sender only without editing the recipients when composing the reply.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Joe writes:
No. Replies are generated by subscriber-side mail clients, not by Mailman. Mailman *already* *by default* provides enough information for them to do what you suggest on simple replies[1] (and IMHO that should be default behavior!), and then Reply All would Just Work Right. But mostly they don't (in any configuration, let alone by default). As Mark explains, the Reply-To header can't be used because it breaks Reply All.[2]
IIRC Mozilla Thunderbird and Sylpheed (and maybe Evolution) do this right. But trying to convince subscribers to change their MUAs is like trying to get addicts to give up their drugs. :-(
A few other clients (Mutt, Emacs/Gnus) have a reply-to-list function, which often does the right thing (ie, fall back to reply-to-author if it can't figure out what list is meant). It is easier to get them to use the function if already present in their client, but that's quite a bit of work for somebody to find out what clients people are using and if they have the function.
Footnotes: [1] The RFC 2369 "List-Post" header.
[2] This is because the definition of "Reply-To" in the email standard is "The *author* says he doesn't want replies to go to 'From', he wants you to use this address. Thank you!"
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