AW: [Mailman-Users] Unable to get Mailman up and running with qmail/vpopmail
Hi Jordi, hi List,
Thanks for your input and I am really happy about every input, but this also shows, why so mayn people have problems with mailman and struggling to get it up and running.
If you have followed the answers Bryan Petty (Tierra) has given, he told me to use-mail-gid= mailman and NOT vchkpw also I should not create a virtual domain, now you tell me I should.
What should I believe now being a novice??? I'll sure give you way a try, even so I don't like the idea of having to run a script each time I add a list. This means an admin has to be involved each time a list is created. It's also another potential place for errors.
Bryan, what do you say about this? I believe qmail/vpopmail is a pretty wide spreaded configuration by now and I don't understand why the creators of mailman can't just say, that's the way to go, fullstop!
Best regards,
Alex
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Jordi Local [mailto:jgil@mail.jordi.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 26. November 2004 12:55 An: info@digital4u.de Betreff: AW: [Mailman-Users] Unable to get Mailman up and running with qmail/vpopmail
you should create your alias at the directory /home/vpopmail/domains/your.domain.com/ executing the script #./create_alias "list_name" the content of the create_alias script is:
#!/bin/sh if [ $# = 1 ]; then i=$1 echo Making links to $i... echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post $i" > .qmail-$i echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin $i" > .qmail-$i-admin echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces $i" > .qmail-$i-bounces #VERP format echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces $i" > .qmail-$i-bounces-default echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm $i" > .qmail-$i-confirm echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join $i" > .qmail-$i-join echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave $i" > .qmail-$i-leave echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner $i" > .qmail-$i-owner echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request $i" > .qmail-$i-request echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe $i" > .qmail-$i-subscribe echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubsrcibe $i" > .qmail-$i-unsubscribe fi
and you also should configure the mailman setup with this options: *./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman --with-mail-gid=vchkpw with-cgi-gid=apache with-python=/usr/bin/python *I think that with this it would be enough, and hope this would be enough. One question I have a problem with the 2.1.5 version because it doesn't advise the list owner of bounces and e-mail adreses mailman deletes automatically, If you get any solution I would be very pleased if you send it to me.
DIGITAL FOR YOU - Alexander Schwethelm wrote:
Bryan, what do you say about this? I believe qmail/vpopmail is a pretty wide spreaded configuration by now and I don't understand why the creators of mailman can't just say, that's the way to go, fullstop!
Mailman would not be what it is today nor would it have nearly the user base to provide help, fixes and development if it were restricted to working with a single MTA (or a single web server or a single OS environment or a single anything else you can think of).
Granted, flexibility always comes with a price, but the inverse of that is Micro$oft's philosophy of "you don't have to think or know anything products".
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Jordi Local wrote off list:
One question I have a problem with the 2.1.5 version because it doesn't advise the list owner of bounces and e-mail adreses mailman deletes automatically, If you get any solution I would be very pleased if you send it to me.
Sure it does. Check your list settings in the Notifications section of the admin Bounce processing page.
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Bryan, what do you say about this? I believe qmail/vpopmail is a pretty wide spreaded configuration by now and I don't understand why the creators of mailman can't just say, that's the way to go, fullstop!
Best regards,
Alex
Hi again, While it would be excellent to have everyone using the same, it's just never going to happen. Yes, qmail/vpopmail is relatively popular, but not even close to the extent of sendmail usage & also not close to Postfix either. Exim is also a popular choice, as are Courier-MTA & Communigate Pro along with qmail & a pile of others, so it's best to allow Mailman the extent of running with any mail server you care to run, depending on your configuration. The other problem developers also face is that people running a particular OS & MTA, such as your choice of qmail is that there are a myriad of configuration options for that, using different paths for directories & so on, such as the option of running Mailman in any directory so chosen, so I believe Mailman developers have don the best they can with what they have to work with.
Bye for now, Terry Allen
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Terry, Mark and of course everybody else on the list,
I didn't want to sound rude or being not thankful about what the mailman developers or ist community have done. I really like mailman. I am trying to get mailman up and running for the past two weeks and I am doing this in my sparetime for a hockey club for free.
All I meantis that it is very difficult to know what to do when everybody and every tutorial is offering a different solution. I understand that it is possible to install mailman in any choosen location, but some basics should be the same, at least when we all talk about the same mail client. So when running mailman together with qmail/vpopmail the way is either to use is -with-cgi-gid=mailman or -with-cgi-gid=VCHKPW. Do you knwo what I am trying to say?
When Jordi offered me his help and I really appreciate any help!!! He/she wrote -with-cgi-gid=apache. In this case it is absolutely no problem to understand that my Apache user/group is "nobody" so I would have to change it to -with-cgi-gid=nobody. So there I see differences on every system, but I am missing a main road to success. Why is that not possible?
So I hope everybody got my point now. Thank you very much to all of you offering support for free!!!
Alex
Bryan, what do you say about this? I believe qmail/vpopmail is a pretty wide spreaded configuration by now and I don't understand why the creators of mailman can't just say, that's the way to go, fullstop!
Best regards,
Alex
Hi again, While it would be excellent to have everyone using the same, it's just never going to happen. Yes, qmail/vpopmail is relatively popular, but not even close to the extent of sendmail usage & also not close to Postfix either. Exim is also a popular choice, as are Courier-MTA & Communigate Pro along with qmail & a pile of others, so it's best to allow Mailman the extent of running with any mail server you care to run, depending on your configuration. The other problem developers also face is that people running a particular OS & MTA, such as your choice of qmail is that there are a myriad of configuration options for that, using different paths for directories & so on, such as the option of running Mailman in any directory so chosen, so I believe Mailman developers have don the best they can with what they have to work with.
Bye for now, Terry Allen
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Terry, Mark and of course everybody else on the list,
I didn't want to sound rude or being not thankful about what the mailman developers or ist community have done. I really like mailman. I am trying to get mailman up and running for the past two weeks and I am doing this in my sparetime for a hockey club for free.
All I meantis that it is very difficult to know what to do when everybody and every tutorial is offering a different solution. I understand that it is possible to install mailman in any choosen location, but some basics should be the same, at least when we all talk about the same mail client. So when running mailman together with qmail/vpopmail the way is either to use is -with-cgi-gid=mailman or -with-cgi-gid=VCHKPW. Do you knwo what I am trying to say?
When Jordi offered me his help and I really appreciate any help!!! He/she wrote -with-cgi-gid=apache. In this case it is absolutely no problem to understand that my Apache user/group is "nobody" so I would have to change it to -with-cgi-gid=nobody. So there I see differences on every system, but I am missing a main road to success. Why is that not possible?
So I hope everybody got my point now. Thank you very much to all of you offering support for free!!!
Alex
Hi again, Indeed, I knew what you were saying, but the variants of so many operating systems makes it nigh on impossible to have things so easy. Like you, I have been struggling with Mailman & trust me, once you nail it, you will wonder exactly where you went wrong & why when it was so obvious. I found the combination of these 3 tutorials the best for my system (Mac OSX w/POostfix), but you'll need to substitute your system's paths in many places:
http://www.afp548.com/articles/Jaguar/mailman21-new.html http://www.hesketh.com/publications/mailman_made_easy.html http://www.afp548.com/Articles/mail/python-mailman.html
My suggestion is to get the command line way of creating lists working firstly, then look at fixing up the web interface - if I can help you out, I will try.
Bye for now, Terry Allen
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Hi Terry,
thanks for your offer to help. I used the way Tierra described, now creating aliases for each list using a script. This seems to work, even so I liked the idea to have a solution where I don't have to run a script for each list created. On the other hand I put so much time into this by now and I am not planning to create lists every day ;-)
As others seem to have this solved without the aliases but using the .qmail-default file, I might do some more testing on my dev machine. I start to understand how all this works, at least regarding qmail/vpopmail and if I solve the other solution as well some day, I am thinking of writing a tutorial about both solutions.
Thanks for now and best regards,
Alex
Hi again, Indeed, I knew what you were saying, but the variants of so many operating systems makes it nigh on impossible to have things so easy. Like you, I have been struggling with Mailman & trust me, once you nail it, you will wonder exactly where you went wrong & why when it was so obvious. I found the combination of these 3 tutorials the best for my system (Mac OSX w/POostfix), but you'll need to substitute your system's paths in many places:
http://www.afp548.com/articles/Jaguar/mailman21-new.html http://www.hesketh.com/publications/mailman_made_easy.html http://www.afp548.com/Articles/mail/python-mailman.html
My suggestion is to get the command line way of creating lists working firstly, then look at fixing up the web interface - if I can help you out, I will try.
Bye for now, Terry Allen
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At 12:26 AM +0100 2004-11-27, DIGITAL FOR YOU - Alexander Schwethelm wrote:
All I meantis that it is very difficult to know what to do when everybody and every tutorial is offering a different solution. I understand that it is possible to install mailman in any choosen location, but some basics should be the same, at least when we all talk about the same mail client.
We can't control what other documentation that people create. We can have some control over our own documentation. There is one README.QMAIL file that you should have gotten as part of the Mailman source code. If the instructions there are not adequate, then we would appreciate feedback on what is needed to bring them up to par.
Alternatively, if there is one good canonical source of information for using Mailman with qmail that has already been produced by someone else, then that should be linked from the FAQ. We do this same sort of thing for people using Mailman with Exim, and I see no reason why we can't do this for Mailman and qmail as well.
Ultimately, it all comes down to unofficial documentation sources versus the official and semi-official ones.
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