At 4:04 PM -0600 2006-03-01, Patrick Bogen wrote:

Integrating spam detection into mailman is actually quite easy- once your MTA is configured for it.

That's one way to do it, yes.  However, the FAQ does detail other 

methods that can also be used, as well as MTA integration.

                             That is an MTA issue, not a mailman

issue.

Don't blindly discount alternative methods just because you have 

a personal preference for a particular technique yourself.

I personally believe that the MTA integration method is superior, 

but I accept that there are plenty of other people out there who might feel different -- and that's why the FAQ discusses multiple methods.

...

Well, let's just say that I found the list to be pretty lame. You made the only constructive comment, thanks.

Greg -- There were some lame comments, yes.  However, please 

don't tar all of us with the brush you've constructed based on the feedback of a small number of people who have responded so far.

OTOH, there is a FAQ Wizard, and there are searchable archives. 

Before posting questions like this to the list, it would help everyone if you searched those before posting here.

And to be fair, I consider most of the other comments constructive; it is often better/easier to fix a policy problem than to fix the way that mailman works.

Mailman can be difficult to fix, yes.  And sometimes it doesn't 

necessarily work as well as we would like. But we go well out of our way to try to ensure that each admin can have Mailman work the way they want (more or less), even though some admins will choose one way and other admins will choose another.

This is why we have a configuration file.

                  In all fairness, your comment about your years of

experience was the first rude thing.

Given the circumstances, I didn't see it as being overly rude. 

He was dealing with the rude responses that he was getting, and trying to get people to focus on answering the question that was asked.

As someone with over twenty years experience with Unix and over 

fifteen years of experience as a professional Unix systems administrator, specializing in Internet e-mail (among other things), and having been the first Internet Mail Operations person hired by AOL and responsible for technical leadership in growing their Internet Mail Operations group by over a factor of 1000 in terms of hardware and load handled, I can understand that.

                                   It doesn't really do to ask for

help and then beat us over the head with your qualifications because you don't want to hear the particular suggestions.

True enough, but he's not the only person guilty of doing so.  In 

his defense, he was being attacked, and although he could have chosen better ways of handling that, the method he did choose wasn't that excessively bad.

                                                 When you ask for

help, you are throwing yourselves on our mercy, as it were- any pride you may have should be long out the window.

True enough.  We would all be better served by remembering this.

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