Can't hide sender of message
Hello.
I use Mailman version 2.1.11.cp3. I have set to "yes" the option "Hide the sender of a message, replacing it with the list address (Removes From, Sender and Reply-To fields)".
Now subscribers are receiving e-mail from the mailing list and from the author of the e-mail message.
Any ideas are greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Tom
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TomSherlock wrote:
Do you mean they receive a single message from the list which is From: both the list and the poster? If so, this is a cPanel issue which we can't help with. See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/sYA9>.
If on the other hand, you mean they receive two messages, one from the list which is From: the list and one From: the poster, perhaps the poster is including some list members in a CC or BCC, or this could also be a cPanel issue.
In order to say more, we'd have to see the complete headers of both messages.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Mark Sapiro-3 wrote:
They receive two messages, one from the list and one from the poster.
Here is the header from the poster:
Received: (qmail 11320 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 20:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1pismtp01-023.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net) ([10.8.12.26]) (envelope-sender <angela.evans@bt.com>) by smtp26-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (qmail-1.03) with SMTP for <tom@ramruva.com>; 8 Dec 2009 20:44:06 -0000 Received: from a2s47.a2hosting.com ([216.119.128.130]) by m1pismtp01-023.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with ESMTP; 08 Dec 2009 13:44:05 -0700 Received: from smtp1.smtp.bt.com ([217.32.164.137]) by a2s47.a2hosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <angela.evans@bt.com>) id 1NI6uh-0004QP-Sv; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:44:04 -0500 Received: from E03MVC4-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.197.116]) by smtp1.smtp.bt.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:43:58 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7847.2AAEA169" Subject: [LSPTA Bulletin 22] Lincoln News- Holiday Boutique Countdown Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:46:39 -0000 Message-ID: <6A375F4747F4B14EB41AF6728C452AFF058023DF@E03MVC4-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [LSPTA Bulletin 22] Lincoln News- Holiday Boutique Countdown Thread-Index: Acp4R4oMftaqBO0+T/+5kewhonrw5w== From: <angela.evans@bt.com> To: <bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net>, <bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2009 20:43:58.0913 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AC64B10:01CA7847] X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - a2s47.a2hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lincolnschoolpta.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - bt.com X-Nonspam: Whitelist
Here is the header from the list:
Received: (qmail 22283 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 20:44:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p3pismtp01-026.prod.phx3.secureserver.net) ([10.6.12.31]) (envelope-sender <bulletin-bounces@lincolnschoolpta.net>) by smtp29.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (qmail-1.03) with SMTP for <tom@ramruva.com>; 8 Dec 2009 20:44:25 -0000 Received: from vms169129pub.verizon.net ([206.46.169.129]) by p3pismtp01-026.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with ESMTP; 08 Dec 2009 13:44:24 -0700 Received: from a2s47.a2hosting.com ([216.119.128.130]) by vms169129.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KUC00BZOPLQA082@vms169129.mailsrvcs.net> for tom@ramruva.com (ORCPT tj.sherlock@verizon.net); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:44:19 -0600 (CST) X-Originating-IP: [216.119.128.130] Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=a2s47.a2hosting.com) by a2s47.a2hosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <bulletin-bounces@lincolnschoolpta.net>) id 1NI6uj-0004So-C7; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:44:05 -0500 Received: from smtp1.smtp.bt.com ([217.32.164.137]) by a2s47.a2hosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <angela.evans@bt.com>) id 1NI6uh-0004QP-Sv; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:44:04 -0500 Received: from E03MVC4-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.197.116]) by smtp1.smtp.bt.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:43:58 +0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:46:39 +0000 Message-id:
<6A375F4747F4B14EB41AF6728C452AFF058023DF@E03MVC4-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-topic: [LSPTA Bulletin 22] Lincoln News- Holiday Boutique Countdown Thread-index: Acp4R4oMftaqBO0+T/+5kewhonrw5w== To: <bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net>, <bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2009 20:43:58.0913 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AC64B10:01CA7847] From: Lincoln School PTA Bulletin <bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net> Subject: [LSPTA Bulletin 23] Lincoln News- Holiday Boutique Countdown X-BeenThere: bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11.cp3 Precedence: list Reply-to: Bulletin-Editor@lincolnschoolpta.net List-Id: Lincoln School PTA Bulletin <bulletin_lincolnschoolpta.net.lincolnschoolpta.net> List-Unsubscribe:
<http://lincolnschoolpta.net/mailman/options/bulletin_lincolnschoolpta.net>, <mailto:bulletin-request@lincolnschoolpta.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lincolnschoolpta.net/pipermail/bulletin_lincolnschoolpta.net> List-Post: <mailto:bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net> List-Help: <mailto:bulletin-request@lincolnschoolpta.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe:
<http://lincolnschoolpta.net/mailman/listinfo/bulletin_lincolnschoolpta.net>, <mailto:bulletin-request@lincolnschoolpta.net?subject=subscribe> Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1080370488203077477==" Sender: bulletin-bounces@lincolnschoolpta.net Errors-to: bulletin-bounces@lincolnschoolpta.net X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - a2s47.a2hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - verizon.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - lincolnschoolpta.net X-Nonspam: Whitelist
Thanks
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TomSherlock wrote:
Please two things about the above message. It contains no Mailman headers of any kind indicating it didn't come from a Mailman list. It is addressed To: <bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net>, <bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net>
Would <bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net> be an alias for you?
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Mark Sapiro-3 wrote:
Bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net is a subscriber of the mailing list and the only one able to post to the mailing list. E-mail sent to Bulletin-editor is forwarded to my e-mail account. Bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net is the mailing list and is managed through mailman.
Here is the header of the third e-mail. It looks like it includes list info and mailman info:
Received: (qmail 11845 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 22:28:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p3pismtp01-016.prod.phx3.secureserver.net) ([10.6.12.16]) (envelope-sender <bulletin-bounces@lincolnschoolpta.net>) by smtp18-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (qmail-1.03) with SMTP for <tom@ramruva.com>; 8 Dec 2009 22:28:52 -0000 Received: from a2s47.a2hosting.com ([216.119.128.130]) by p3pismtp01-016.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with ESMTP; 08 Dec 2009 15:28:52 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=a2s47.a2hosting.com) by a2s47.a2hosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <bulletin-bounces@lincolnschoolpta.net>) id 1NI8XM-0008Mx-AG; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:28:04 -0500 Received: from smtp4.smtp.bt.com ([217.32.164.151]) by a2s47.a2hosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <angela.evans@bt.com>) id 1NI8XI-0007S6-Jq; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:28:01 -0500 Received: from E03MVC4-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.197.116]) by smtp4.smtp.bt.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:27:55 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7855.B0326989" Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:25:55 -0000 Message-ID: <6A375F4747F4B14EB41AF6728C452AFF02200439@E03MVC4-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [LSPTA Bulletin 24] Lincoln News- Cookie Dough is here!!! Thread-Index: Acp4R4oMftaqBO0+T/+5kewhonrw5wADd5PM References: <6A375F4747F4B14EB41AF6728C452AFF058023DF@E03MVC4-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net> To: <Bulletin-Editor@lincolnschoolpta.net>, <bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net>, <bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2009 22:27:55.0904 (UTC) FILETIME=[B04F9800:01CA7855] From: Lincoln School PTA Bulletin <bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net> Subject: [LSPTA Bulletin 24] Lincoln News- Cookie Dough is here!!! X-BeenThere: bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11.cp3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bulletin-Editor@lincolnschoolpta.net List-Id: Lincoln School PTA Bulletin <bulletin_lincolnschoolpta.net.lincolnschoolpta.net> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lincolnschoolpta.net/mailman/options/bulletin_lincolnschoolpta.net>, <mailto:bulletin-request@lincolnschoolpta.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lincolnschoolpta.net/pipermail/bulletin_lincolnschoolpta.net> List-Post: <mailto:bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net> List-Help: <mailto:bulletin-request@lincolnschoolpta.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lincolnschoolpta.net/mailman/listinfo/bulletin_lincolnschoolpta.net>, <mailto:bulletin-request@lincolnschoolpta.net?subject=subscribe> Sender: bulletin-bounces@lincolnschoolpta.net Errors-To: bulletin-bounces@lincolnschoolpta.net X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - a2s47.a2hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ramruva.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - lincolnschoolpta.net X-Nonspam: Whitelist
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TomSherlock
So the original post was sent to both Bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net and Bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net. You received a copy of the list post from the list and you also received the copy of the message that was sent to Bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net.
If the only copy you received from the list was the one sent from the list to Bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net, you can suppress this copy from the list by checking 'nodups' for the Bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net member on the Membership Management... -> Membership List page in the list's admin interface or by setting the "Avoid duplicate copies of messages?" option to Yes on the user options page for Bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net.
Here is the header of the third e-mail. It looks like it includes list info and mailman info:
This is a totally different message with different Message-ID and subject from the ones you posted previously.
This one is addressed to
To: <Bulletin-Editor@lincolnschoolpta.net>, <bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net>, <bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net>
I.e. it is sent twice to different spellings of bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net which may account for your have received 3 copies because MTAs should consider Bulletin-Editor@lincolnschoolpta.net and bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net to be separate recipients.
Mark Sapiro writes:
From the "But that's *stupid*" department:
N.As I'm sure Mark knows, distinguishing case in mailboxes is a deprecated practice, and local mail delivery systems are strongly encouraged to avoid it. Nevertheless, the practice *does exist*, and therefore originating and intermediate MTAs *must* distinguish those addresses, and forward to all of them. The originating MTA cannot know what the ultimate destination's policy is, and it must not guess.
TomSherlock writes:
They receive two messages, one from the list and one from the poster.
Here is the header from the poster:
Cutting to the chase, from poster, the (relevant, edited) headers are:
Received: from a2s47 by m1pismtp01-023 Received: from smtp1 by a2s47
From list:
First, note the "from localhost" entry in the second series. This means that Mailman is reinjecting the message on the same host. It doesn't appear in the first series; Mailman did *not* handle that message, it was relayed *directly to you* by the MTA at a2s47. Second, apparently the list knows you as "tj.sherlock at verizon", but it's likely the direct mail was originally addressed to "tom at ramruva".
I would guess that the sender is BCC'ing you (perhaps to help you identify any problems?) It's hard to say because I don't know Microsoft Exchange, but it is quite possible that the mail from the sender's host is going to multiple recipients (ie, other than the list) at the point where her MUA injects it. If there were a single message to the list only, the first MTA in the chain will often have a "for mailing-list" clause in the Received header. Its absence doesn't prove anything, but certainly leaves open the possibility of multiple recipients.
A lower probability is that there's a rule or alias at a2s47's MTA that BCCs you on list mail, again for debugging purposes. (Coincidentally, yesterday I implemented exactly that feature using the same MTA (Exim 4) for a list I run, although the purpose was different. It's just one line in /etc/aliases.)
As unlikely as that seems, based on the Received chain posted, I would say a problem with Mailman is even less likely. I just don't see how Mailman could be involved with the direct mail.
I'm sorry we can't find a Mailman issue here, in the sense that we could help you with that.
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Your reply, Mark's and Michael have definitely helped me to sort this out.
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On 9-Dec-2009, at 09:01, TomSherlock wrote:
They receive two messages, one from the list and one from the poster.
So you are trying to figure out how Mailman can prevent a third party from mailing a third party?
-- The older you get the more you need the people you knew when you were young.
No, I am trying use the mailman feature which allows the poster's e-mail to be shown as coming from the list, not from the poster.
However, based on the analysis of the others, regular may be getting mixed in with the mailing list.
LuKreme wrote:
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TomSherlock wrote:
Do you mean they receive a single message from the list which is From: both the list and the poster? If so, this is a cPanel issue which we can't help with. See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/sYA9>.
If on the other hand, you mean they receive two messages, one from the list which is From: the list and one From: the poster, perhaps the poster is including some list members in a CC or BCC, or this could also be a cPanel issue.
In order to say more, we'd have to see the complete headers of both messages.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Mark Sapiro-3 wrote:
They receive two messages, one from the list and one from the poster.
Here is the header from the poster:
Received: (qmail 11320 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 20:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1pismtp01-023.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net) ([10.8.12.26]) (envelope-sender <angela.evans@bt.com>) by smtp26-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (qmail-1.03) with SMTP for <tom@ramruva.com>; 8 Dec 2009 20:44:06 -0000 Received: from a2s47.a2hosting.com ([216.119.128.130]) by m1pismtp01-023.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with ESMTP; 08 Dec 2009 13:44:05 -0700 Received: from smtp1.smtp.bt.com ([217.32.164.137]) by a2s47.a2hosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <angela.evans@bt.com>) id 1NI6uh-0004QP-Sv; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:44:04 -0500 Received: from E03MVC4-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.197.116]) by smtp1.smtp.bt.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:43:58 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7847.2AAEA169" Subject: [LSPTA Bulletin 22] Lincoln News- Holiday Boutique Countdown Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:46:39 -0000 Message-ID: <6A375F4747F4B14EB41AF6728C452AFF058023DF@E03MVC4-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [LSPTA Bulletin 22] Lincoln News- Holiday Boutique Countdown Thread-Index: Acp4R4oMftaqBO0+T/+5kewhonrw5w== From: <angela.evans@bt.com> To: <bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net>, <bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2009 20:43:58.0913 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AC64B10:01CA7847] X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - a2s47.a2hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lincolnschoolpta.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - bt.com X-Nonspam: Whitelist
Here is the header from the list:
Received: (qmail 22283 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 20:44:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p3pismtp01-026.prod.phx3.secureserver.net) ([10.6.12.31]) (envelope-sender <bulletin-bounces@lincolnschoolpta.net>) by smtp29.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (qmail-1.03) with SMTP for <tom@ramruva.com>; 8 Dec 2009 20:44:25 -0000 Received: from vms169129pub.verizon.net ([206.46.169.129]) by p3pismtp01-026.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with ESMTP; 08 Dec 2009 13:44:24 -0700 Received: from a2s47.a2hosting.com ([216.119.128.130]) by vms169129.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KUC00BZOPLQA082@vms169129.mailsrvcs.net> for tom@ramruva.com (ORCPT tj.sherlock@verizon.net); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:44:19 -0600 (CST) X-Originating-IP: [216.119.128.130] Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=a2s47.a2hosting.com) by a2s47.a2hosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <bulletin-bounces@lincolnschoolpta.net>) id 1NI6uj-0004So-C7; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:44:05 -0500 Received: from smtp1.smtp.bt.com ([217.32.164.137]) by a2s47.a2hosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <angela.evans@bt.com>) id 1NI6uh-0004QP-Sv; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:44:04 -0500 Received: from E03MVC4-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.197.116]) by smtp1.smtp.bt.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:43:58 +0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:46:39 +0000 Message-id:
<6A375F4747F4B14EB41AF6728C452AFF058023DF@E03MVC4-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-topic: [LSPTA Bulletin 22] Lincoln News- Holiday Boutique Countdown Thread-index: Acp4R4oMftaqBO0+T/+5kewhonrw5w== To: <bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net>, <bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2009 20:43:58.0913 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AC64B10:01CA7847] From: Lincoln School PTA Bulletin <bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net> Subject: [LSPTA Bulletin 23] Lincoln News- Holiday Boutique Countdown X-BeenThere: bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11.cp3 Precedence: list Reply-to: Bulletin-Editor@lincolnschoolpta.net List-Id: Lincoln School PTA Bulletin <bulletin_lincolnschoolpta.net.lincolnschoolpta.net> List-Unsubscribe:
<http://lincolnschoolpta.net/mailman/options/bulletin_lincolnschoolpta.net>, <mailto:bulletin-request@lincolnschoolpta.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lincolnschoolpta.net/pipermail/bulletin_lincolnschoolpta.net> List-Post: <mailto:bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net> List-Help: <mailto:bulletin-request@lincolnschoolpta.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe:
<http://lincolnschoolpta.net/mailman/listinfo/bulletin_lincolnschoolpta.net>, <mailto:bulletin-request@lincolnschoolpta.net?subject=subscribe> Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1080370488203077477==" Sender: bulletin-bounces@lincolnschoolpta.net Errors-to: bulletin-bounces@lincolnschoolpta.net X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - a2s47.a2hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - verizon.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - lincolnschoolpta.net X-Nonspam: Whitelist
Thanks
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TomSherlock wrote:
Please two things about the above message. It contains no Mailman headers of any kind indicating it didn't come from a Mailman list. It is addressed To: <bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net>, <bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net>
Would <bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net> be an alias for you?
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Mark Sapiro-3 wrote:
Bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net is a subscriber of the mailing list and the only one able to post to the mailing list. E-mail sent to Bulletin-editor is forwarded to my e-mail account. Bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net is the mailing list and is managed through mailman.
Here is the header of the third e-mail. It looks like it includes list info and mailman info:
Received: (qmail 11845 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 22:28:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p3pismtp01-016.prod.phx3.secureserver.net) ([10.6.12.16]) (envelope-sender <bulletin-bounces@lincolnschoolpta.net>) by smtp18-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (qmail-1.03) with SMTP for <tom@ramruva.com>; 8 Dec 2009 22:28:52 -0000 Received: from a2s47.a2hosting.com ([216.119.128.130]) by p3pismtp01-016.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with ESMTP; 08 Dec 2009 15:28:52 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=a2s47.a2hosting.com) by a2s47.a2hosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <bulletin-bounces@lincolnschoolpta.net>) id 1NI8XM-0008Mx-AG; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:28:04 -0500 Received: from smtp4.smtp.bt.com ([217.32.164.151]) by a2s47.a2hosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <angela.evans@bt.com>) id 1NI8XI-0007S6-Jq; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:28:01 -0500 Received: from E03MVC4-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.197.116]) by smtp4.smtp.bt.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:27:55 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7855.B0326989" Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:25:55 -0000 Message-ID: <6A375F4747F4B14EB41AF6728C452AFF02200439@E03MVC4-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [LSPTA Bulletin 24] Lincoln News- Cookie Dough is here!!! Thread-Index: Acp4R4oMftaqBO0+T/+5kewhonrw5wADd5PM References: <6A375F4747F4B14EB41AF6728C452AFF058023DF@E03MVC4-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net> To: <Bulletin-Editor@lincolnschoolpta.net>, <bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net>, <bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2009 22:27:55.0904 (UTC) FILETIME=[B04F9800:01CA7855] From: Lincoln School PTA Bulletin <bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net> Subject: [LSPTA Bulletin 24] Lincoln News- Cookie Dough is here!!! X-BeenThere: bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11.cp3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bulletin-Editor@lincolnschoolpta.net List-Id: Lincoln School PTA Bulletin <bulletin_lincolnschoolpta.net.lincolnschoolpta.net> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lincolnschoolpta.net/mailman/options/bulletin_lincolnschoolpta.net>, <mailto:bulletin-request@lincolnschoolpta.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lincolnschoolpta.net/pipermail/bulletin_lincolnschoolpta.net> List-Post: <mailto:bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net> List-Help: <mailto:bulletin-request@lincolnschoolpta.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lincolnschoolpta.net/mailman/listinfo/bulletin_lincolnschoolpta.net>, <mailto:bulletin-request@lincolnschoolpta.net?subject=subscribe> Sender: bulletin-bounces@lincolnschoolpta.net Errors-To: bulletin-bounces@lincolnschoolpta.net X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - a2s47.a2hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ramruva.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - lincolnschoolpta.net X-Nonspam: Whitelist
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TomSherlock
So the original post was sent to both Bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net and Bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net. You received a copy of the list post from the list and you also received the copy of the message that was sent to Bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net.
If the only copy you received from the list was the one sent from the list to Bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net, you can suppress this copy from the list by checking 'nodups' for the Bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net member on the Membership Management... -> Membership List page in the list's admin interface or by setting the "Avoid duplicate copies of messages?" option to Yes on the user options page for Bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net.
Here is the header of the third e-mail. It looks like it includes list info and mailman info:
This is a totally different message with different Message-ID and subject from the ones you posted previously.
This one is addressed to
To: <Bulletin-Editor@lincolnschoolpta.net>, <bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net>, <bulletin@lincolnschoolpta.net>
I.e. it is sent twice to different spellings of bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net which may account for your have received 3 copies because MTAs should consider Bulletin-Editor@lincolnschoolpta.net and bulletin-editor@lincolnschoolpta.net to be separate recipients.
Mark Sapiro writes:
From the "But that's *stupid*" department:
N.As I'm sure Mark knows, distinguishing case in mailboxes is a deprecated practice, and local mail delivery systems are strongly encouraged to avoid it. Nevertheless, the practice *does exist*, and therefore originating and intermediate MTAs *must* distinguish those addresses, and forward to all of them. The originating MTA cannot know what the ultimate destination's policy is, and it must not guess.
TomSherlock writes:
They receive two messages, one from the list and one from the poster.
Here is the header from the poster:
Cutting to the chase, from poster, the (relevant, edited) headers are:
Received: from a2s47 by m1pismtp01-023 Received: from smtp1 by a2s47
From list:
First, note the "from localhost" entry in the second series. This means that Mailman is reinjecting the message on the same host. It doesn't appear in the first series; Mailman did *not* handle that message, it was relayed *directly to you* by the MTA at a2s47. Second, apparently the list knows you as "tj.sherlock at verizon", but it's likely the direct mail was originally addressed to "tom at ramruva".
I would guess that the sender is BCC'ing you (perhaps to help you identify any problems?) It's hard to say because I don't know Microsoft Exchange, but it is quite possible that the mail from the sender's host is going to multiple recipients (ie, other than the list) at the point where her MUA injects it. If there were a single message to the list only, the first MTA in the chain will often have a "for mailing-list" clause in the Received header. Its absence doesn't prove anything, but certainly leaves open the possibility of multiple recipients.
A lower probability is that there's a rule or alias at a2s47's MTA that BCCs you on list mail, again for debugging purposes. (Coincidentally, yesterday I implemented exactly that feature using the same MTA (Exim 4) for a list I run, although the purpose was different. It's just one line in /etc/aliases.)
As unlikely as that seems, based on the Received chain posted, I would say a problem with Mailman is even less likely. I just don't see how Mailman could be involved with the direct mail.
I'm sorry we can't find a Mailman issue here, in the sense that we could help you with that.
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Your reply, Mark's and Michael have definitely helped me to sort this out.
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On 9-Dec-2009, at 09:01, TomSherlock wrote:
They receive two messages, one from the list and one from the poster.
So you are trying to figure out how Mailman can prevent a third party from mailing a third party?
-- The older you get the more you need the people you knew when you were young.
No, I am trying use the mailman feature which allows the poster's e-mail to be shown as coming from the list, not from the poster.
However, based on the analysis of the others, regular may be getting mixed in with the mailing list.
LuKreme wrote:
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