Hi,
I just set up a new Mailman server (Fedora Core 8) and followed the instructions I found in the FAQs to move my lists.
It seemed pretty straight forward, but I have a hitch.
If I send e-mail from a member's e-mail address, to the membership list, I get a record in my "/var/log/mailman/post" file that reads: Mar 30 12:08:10 2008 (3770) post to board from jon.slater@mesanetworks.net, size=4564, message-id=<005e01c89291$0f1e0d00$2d5a2700$@slater@mesanetworks.net>, success
So that part looks encouraging, but I never receive the e-mail to the list members.
I see the e-mail posted in the list archive, but no list member receives it.
I *do* see a record in /var/log/mailman/smtp that reads: Mar 30 13:08:17 2008 (3770) <007601c89299$7582d820$60888860$@slater@mesanetworks.net> smtp to board for 1 recips, completed in 0.129 seconds
So, it looks like it was sent out. But I never received it.
The way my lists are configured, I auto-reject any mail not posted by a list member. So, I tried posting from a non-member e-mail address, and I got the nasty "you're not allowed" e-mail.
So my server is able to send e-mail, and apparently recognizes the 'good' e-mail address as a member. It's also recognizes the 'bad' e-mail address and sends the "you're not allowed".
How can I figure out where my e-mail is going?
Thanks in advance!
Jon
Jon Slater wrote:
I just set up a new Mailman server (Fedora Core 8) and followed the instructions I found in the FAQs to move my lists.
Did you set up, and start the cron task?-- H | It's not a bug - it's an undocumented feature. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley@pcraft.com> . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / Websmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Imaging . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.
I yum installed it and started the mailman service. I see the qrunner, running when I "ps -aef | grep mailman"
-----Original Message----- From: Ashley M. Kirchner [mailto:ashley@pcraft.com] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:07 PM To: Jon Slater Cc: Mailman-Users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Where's my mail going?
Jon Slater wrote:
I just set up a new Mailman server (Fedora Core 8) and followed the instructions I found in the FAQs to move my lists.
Did you set up, and start the cron task?-- H | It's not a bug - it's an undocumented feature. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley@pcraft.com> . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / Websmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Imaging . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.
-- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1349 - Release Date: 3/29/2008 5:02 PM
Jon Slater wrote:
If I send e-mail from a member's e-mail address, to the membership list, I get a record in my "/var/log/mailman/post" file that reads: Mar 30 12:08:10 2008 (3770) post to board from jon.slater@mesanetworks.net, size=4564, message-id=<005e01c89291$0f1e0d00$2d5a2700$@slater@mesanetworks.net>, success
So that part looks encouraging, but I never receive the e-mail to the list members.
I see the e-mail posted in the list archive, but no list member receives it.
I *do* see a record in /var/log/mailman/smtp that reads: Mar 30 13:08:17 2008 (3770) <007601c89299$7582d820$60888860$@slater@mesanetworks.net> smtp to board for 1 recips, completed in 0.129 seconds
This message has a different message-id and timestamp from the post log message. Is that significant, or are you just copying 'typical' entries?
In any case, this message was delivered to the MTA and had 1 recipient. Is that the expected number? The message in the post log was also delivered to the MTA, but the number of recipients would be in the corresponding smtp log entry.
Check the smtp-failure and bounce logs for possible issues? Also check the MTA's log for entries related to these messages
How can I figure out where my e-mail is going?
The MTA's log should help.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
You are correct... I just pulled a single record from each file from multiple tests. (I also blocked every out-going e-mail address in the list, except my own. So 1 recipient is correct.)
Here are all of the matching records from a new test:
Post: Mar 30 14:35:06 2008 (3770) post to board from jon.slater@mesanetworks.net, size=4492, message-id=<008101c892a5$967ddff0$c3799fd0$@slater@mesanetworks.net>, success
Bounce: Mar 30 14:35:10 2008 (3766) <BounceRunner at 3083117612> processing 1 queued bounces Mar 30 14:35:10 2008 (3766) board: jon.slater@mesanetworks.net already scored a bounce for date 30-Mar-2008
Smtp: Mar 30 14:35:06 2008 (3770) <008101c892a5$967ddff0$c3799fd0$@slater@mesanetworks.net> smtp to board for 1 recips, completed in 0.108 seconds
Maillog: Mar 30 14:34:43 drewjon sendmail[5304]: NOQUEUE: tcpwrappers (unknown, 41.200.89.222) rejection Mar 30 14:35:05 drewjon sendmail[5308]: m2UKZ46S005308: from=<jon.slater@mesanetworks.net>, size=3098, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<008101c892a5$967ddff0$c3799fd0$@slater@mesanetworks.net>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=mx11.mesanetworks.net [74.52.162.130] Mar 30 14:35:05 drewjon sendmail[5309]: m2UKZ46S005308: to="|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post board", ctladdr=<board@steeplechase-hoa.org> (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=33304, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent Mar 30 14:35:06 drewjon sendmail[5311]: m2UKZ6Fg005311: from=<board-bounces@steeplechase-hoa.org>, size=4492, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<008101c892a5$967ddff0$c3799fd0$@slater@mesanetworks.net>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1] Mar 30 14:35:08 drewjon sendmail[5313]: STARTTLS=client, relay=inbound.filter.theplanet.com., version=TLSv1/SSLv3, verify=FAIL, cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA, bits=256/256 Mar 30 14:35:09 drewjon sendmail[5313]: m2UKZ6Fg005311: to=<jon.slater@mesanetworks.net>, delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:03, mailer=esmtp, pri=124492, relay=inbound.filter.theplanet.com. [216.185.111.115], dsn=5.1.1, stat=User unknown Mar 30 14:35:09 drewjon sendmail[5313]: m2UKZ6Fg005311: m2UKZ9Fg005313: DSN: User unknown Mar 30 14:35:09 drewjon sendmail[5313]: m2UKZ9Fg005313: to="|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces board", ctladdr=<board-bounces@steeplechase-hoa.org> (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=35697, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent Mar 30 14:35:27 drewjon sendmail[5316]: NOQUEUE: tcpwrappers (unknown, 89.19.92.181) rejection Mar 30 14:35:49 drewjon dovecot: pop3-login: Login: user=<drew>, method=PLAIN, rip=::ffff:192.168.1.1, lip=::ffff:192.168.1.2 Mar 30 14:35:49 drewjon dovecot: POP3(drew): Disconnected: Logged out top=0/0, retr=0/0, del=0/0, size=0
Thanks again!
Jon
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark@msapiro.net] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:15 PM To: Jon Slater; Mailman-Users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Where's my mail going?
Jon Slater wrote:
If I send e-mail from a member's e-mail address, to the membership list, I get a record in my "/var/log/mailman/post" file that reads: Mar 30 12:08:10 2008 (3770) post to board from jon.slater@mesanetworks.net, size=4564, message-id=<005e01c89291$0f1e0d00$2d5a2700$@slater@mesanetworks.net>, success
So that part looks encouraging, but I never receive the e-mail to the list members.
I see the e-mail posted in the list archive, but no list member receives
it.
I *do* see a record in /var/log/mailman/smtp that reads: Mar 30 13:08:17 2008 (3770) <007601c89299$7582d820$60888860$@slater@mesanetworks.net> smtp to board for 1 recips, completed in 0.129 seconds
This message has a different message-id and timestamp from the post log message. Is that significant, or are you just copying 'typical' entries?
In any case, this message was delivered to the MTA and had 1 recipient. Is that the expected number? The message in the post log was also delivered to the MTA, but the number of recipients would be in the corresponding smtp log entry.
Check the smtp-failure and bounce logs for possible issues? Also check the MTA's log for entries related to these messages
How can I figure out where my e-mail is going?
The MTA's log should help.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
-- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1349 - Release Date: 3/29/2008 5:02 PM
Jon Slater wrote:
Bounce: Mar 30 14:35:10 2008 (3766) <BounceRunner at 3083117612> processing 1 queued bounces Mar 30 14:35:10 2008 (3766) board: jon.slater@mesanetworks.net already scored a bounce for date 30-Mar-2008
The mail to you is bouncing.
Maillog: Mar 30 14:35:05 drewjon sendmail[5308]: m2UKZ46S005308: from=<jon.slater@mesanetworks.net>, size=3098, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<008101c892a5$967ddff0$c3799fd0$@slater@mesanetworks.net>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=mx11.mesanetworks.net [74.52.162.130] Mar 30 14:35:05 drewjon sendmail[5309]: m2UKZ46S005308: to="|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post board", ctladdr=<board@steeplechase-hoa.org> (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=33304, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
Post is received and delivered to Mailman.
Mar 30 14:35:06 drewjon sendmail[5311]: m2UKZ6Fg005311: from=<board-bounces@steeplechase-hoa.org>, size=4492, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<008101c892a5$967ddff0$c3799fd0$@slater@mesanetworks.net>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
Outging post is received from Mailman.
Mar 30 14:35:08 drewjon sendmail[5313]: STARTTLS=client, relay=inbound.filter.theplanet.com., version=TLSv1/SSLv3, verify=FAIL, cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA, bits=256/256 Mar 30 14:35:09 drewjon sendmail[5313]: m2UKZ6Fg005311: to=<jon.slater@mesanetworks.net>, delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:03, mailer=esmtp, pri=124492, relay=inbound.filter.theplanet.com. [216.185.111.115], dsn=5.1.1, stat=User unknown
And can't be delivered to <jon.slater@mesanetworks.net> because stat=User unknown
Mar 30 14:35:09 drewjon sendmail[5313]: m2UKZ6Fg005311: m2UKZ9Fg005313: DSN: User unknown Mar 30 14:35:09 drewjon sendmail[5313]: m2UKZ9Fg005313: to="|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces board", ctladdr=<board-bounces@steeplechase-hoa.org> (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=35697, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
DSN is returned to Mailman ultimately resulting in bounce log entry above.
sendmail on this box doesn't know how to deliver to <jon.slater@mesanetworks.net>. This is a sendmail configuration issue of some kind.
dig tells me that the MX for mesanetworks.net is inbound.filter.theplanet.com, but apparently this box (drewjon) thinks that mesanetworks.net is a local domain and so attempts to deliver locally instead of via the MX.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
You guys really are great!!! Thank you for your patience!!!
My IP address has been listed at SpamHaus. (I'm guessing because I reject all e-mail from non-list members, and I should probably just delete it.)
Thank you again!
Jon
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark@msapiro.net] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 3:46 PM To: Jon Slater; Mailman-Users@python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Where's my mail going?
Jon Slater wrote:
Bounce: Mar 30 14:35:10 2008 (3766) <BounceRunner at 3083117612> processing 1
queued
bounces Mar 30 14:35:10 2008 (3766) board: jon.slater@mesanetworks.net already scored a bounce for date 30-Mar-2008
The mail to you is bouncing.
Maillog: Mar 30 14:35:05 drewjon sendmail[5308]: m2UKZ46S005308: from=<jon.slater@mesanetworks.net>, size=3098, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<008101c892a5$967ddff0$c3799fd0$@slater@mesanetworks.net>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=mx11.mesanetworks.net [74.52.162.130] Mar 30 14:35:05 drewjon sendmail[5309]: m2UKZ46S005308: to="|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post board", ctladdr=<board@steeplechase-hoa.org> (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=33304, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
Post is received and delivered to Mailman.
Mar 30 14:35:06 drewjon sendmail[5311]: m2UKZ6Fg005311: from=<board-bounces@steeplechase-hoa.org>, size=4492, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<008101c892a5$967ddff0$c3799fd0$@slater@mesanetworks.net>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
Outging post is received from Mailman.
Mar 30 14:35:08 drewjon sendmail[5313]: STARTTLS=client, relay=inbound.filter.theplanet.com., version=TLSv1/SSLv3, verify=FAIL, cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA, bits=256/256 Mar 30 14:35:09 drewjon sendmail[5313]: m2UKZ6Fg005311: to=<jon.slater@mesanetworks.net>, delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:03, mailer=esmtp, pri=124492, relay=inbound.filter.theplanet.com. [216.185.111.115], dsn=5.1.1, stat=User unknown
And can't be delivered to <jon.slater@mesanetworks.net> because stat=User unknown
Mar 30 14:35:09 drewjon sendmail[5313]: m2UKZ6Fg005311: m2UKZ9Fg005313: DSN: User unknown Mar 30 14:35:09 drewjon sendmail[5313]: m2UKZ9Fg005313: to="|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces board", ctladdr=<board-bounces@steeplechase-hoa.org> (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=35697, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
DSN is returned to Mailman ultimately resulting in bounce log entry above.
sendmail on this box doesn't know how to deliver to <jon.slater@mesanetworks.net>. This is a sendmail configuration issue of some kind.
dig tells me that the MX for mesanetworks.net is inbound.filter.theplanet.com, but apparently this box (drewjon) thinks that mesanetworks.net is a local domain and so attempts to deliver locally instead of via the MX.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
-- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1349 - Release Date: 3/29/2008 5:02 PM
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