I have been slowly getting my confirms to get accepted, first not recognized, now service not available. Where did the instructions come from to add the following or similar to my /etc/aliases:
peteslist-request: |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd peteslist
I still get service unavailable? Any ideas?
And, why is no one answering this list today?
Thanks I guess,
David
David L. Whitehurst aka. PiratePete dlwhitehurst@comcast.net
The aliases setup was the last thing that you saw when you created the list. There show have been 4 aliases shown. One for the list itself, one for admin, one for request, and one for owner. Mel
System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com Linux User #25446 Linux 2.4.7
--On Saturday, May 17, 2003 4:09 PM -0400 David Whitehurst <dlwhitehurst@comcast.net> wrote:
I still get service unavailable? Any ideas?
And, why is no one answering this list today?
To which I reply:
Let me get this straight. You post a question to the list around 1pm on a Saturday, and three hours later you're complaining that no one has answered your question? And it's a question whose answer would be pretty obvious to anyone who actually knows something about how mail works?
Let me suggest a couple of things:
- Learn something more about how mail works before trying to install and run mailing list software.
- Read all the documentation that came with the Mailman distribution.
- Read the archives of the mailing list.
- See the Mailman FAQ at <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py>.
- When asking questions on a free, volunteer's list, don't assume that people will spend all their time reading the list, waiting eagerly for the chance to answer your questions.
- Once you've done 1-4, and still not found an answer, when you do post a question to the list, give details about the environment in which you're working. Server hardware, OS, which MTA (and which version), even which version of Mailman you're working with. All of that info will let the helpful folks on this list help you solve your problem.
If you've been trying to install from RPMs, save yourself the trouble and install from source. My reading of this list suggests that the RPMs are almost always more trouble than they're worth.
Above all, remember that the people on this list who try to help you are doing so out of the goodness of their hearts. They don't get paid for it. They don't even get much recognition. And (unlike me) they're mostly too polite to send out a note like this. As someone who mostly lurks on this list, your mail just got on my very last nerve. So don't take it (too) personally -- it could have been anyone who got to me today.
-- SteveSteve Burling <mailto:srb@umich.edu> University of Michigan, ICPSR Voice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910
On søndag, maj 18, 2003, at 23:25 Europe/Copenhagen, schuetzen wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2003 15:32:28 -0400, you wrote:
which MTA (and which version)
what's an MTA??
Mail Transfer Agent. Maybe you should start reading up on how email works in general before you mess with mailinglist software ?
/thomas
On Sun, 18 May 2003 23:36:14 +0200, you wrote:
Mail Transfer Agent. Maybe you should start reading up on how email works in general before you mess with mailinglist software ?
I asked the question for a reason. there are a world of newbies on this list. if you want to grow a sport or a software or an OS, you are going to hve to be tolerant. I truly hope that you do not speak with the voice of this list. I would really hope that was not true. Otherwise, those who WOULD use mailman would be better off going to either another site hosting this s/w OR to another software entirely. I see people like you killing fragile sports which only old men engage in every day on the playing fields. and then people wonder where the next generation of players are going to come from.
fwiw chas
On Sun, 18 May 2003 17:20:51 -0500, you wrote:
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
sorry, I found it. got to go calm down and take my pills. chas
--On Sunday, May 18, 2003 5:20 PM -0500 schuetzen <chasm@texas.net> wrote:
I asked the question for a reason. there are a world of newbies on this list. if you want to grow a sport or a software or an OS, you are going to hve to be tolerant. I truly hope that you do not speak with the voice of this list. I would really hope that was not true. Otherwise, those who WOULD use mailman would be better off going to either another site hosting this s/w OR to another software entirely. I see people like you killing fragile sports which only old men engage in every day on the playing fields. and then people wonder where the next generation of players are going to come from.
To which I reply:
And you got the answer you did for a reason -- setting up mailing list software like Mailman is not for newbies. There's the expectation that someone who is going to set up Mailman will have a certain base set of knowledge. If they don't, then they're going to spend a lot of time flailing around, and asking questions that they should have already figured out the answers to.
Such folks are better served either using a hosting service that provides mailing list software, or paying for some product that provides support.
-- SteveSteve Burling <mailto:srb@umich.edu> University of Michigan, ICPSR Voice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910
On Sun, 18 May 2003 19:18:34 -0400, you wrote:
Such folks are better served either using a hosting service that provides mailing list software, or paying for some product that provides support.
-- Steve
And I have already stated my agreement with your statement, just did not like how it was phrased. at the least as Dan stated, it was damned rude. but let it go. some days are better than others.<G>
just suggest again, you think about how you come across to all the people who are going to be flooding in here. Perhaps a cautionary statement needs to go into the INTRO message or the welcome and a suggestion that ifthe person is not going to be willing to learn a very steep learning curve of not only THIS software but also the entire GENRE, they should go do what your quoted sentence above says.
fwiw chas
On Sun, 18 May 2003 23:36:14 +0200, you wrote:
Maybe you should start reading up on how email works in general before you mess with mailinglist software ?
had to calm down. my point is this. Yahoogroups, in case you live in outer Botswana, is about to start charging for their email lists. When that happens, and I am sort of the front of the wave if not even further back than that, there are going to be literally tens of thousands of list owners looking for a perfectly simple and yahoo like mail program which does not require learning all about MTAs and other, ancillary programs which should be in the main software already - so as to be able to take their lists to a webhost and move on without the charges which are going to otherwise have to be passed on to the listmembers. I have a dozen elists. I have been running lists since back when they were BBS and fidonet. I go WAY back to the beginning of pc's and like that. I am unable to learn programming because since I started taking morphine for my Agent Orange caused tumors, I have lost the ability to do the sysanalyst and db SQL writing I used to do. I am looking for a knock off of Yahoo or Egroups or Onelist's software so that I can move my lists to my piece of the inet. If I cannot expect to find help on this list or any other which mailman is "supported" by, then I would be best served by going with a piece of crap like the old standbys of ListServ and so on. gag! that is enuff Again, I just hope you are not the voice of this list. Further, where is a url in the message footer showing where to go to access the archives?
fwiw chas
schuetzen writes:
Yahoogroups ... is about to start charging for their email lists. When that happens ... there are going to be literally tens of thousands of list owners looking for a perfectly simple and yahoo like mail program
I, hope that someone other than the Mailman developers steps up to carry that torch.
Glen Foster <gfoster@gfoster.com>
On Sun, 18 May 2003 19:58:10 -0400, you wrote:
I, hope that someone other than the Mailman developers steps up to carry that torch.
well, again, Mailman is not the only Linux product out there. a lot of people prefer EZMLM but i have not tried it. I have two lists on my webhost mirroring two still on YHG. They seem to be working well but it is still not easy for people to leave the lists or to join until I create some instructions for footers and welcome and so on. chas
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