Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 36, Issue 24
Not sure if this is related by I got an odd message from one of my
moderators. At least one list subscriber is getting messages but the
top half of the messages is gone. This is puzzling as it is not
happening to everyone on the list. I do NOT know what client is
displaying the partial messages. I do know that the moderator sending
the messages is using OS X Mail Client.
Moderator has found that adding a few carriage returns to the top of
the original post makes it show up fine.
On Feb 16, 2007, at 6:00 AM, mailman-users-request@python.org wrote:
From: Paul Navarre <pnavarre@netinteraction.com> Date: February 15, 2007 10:33:33 PM EST To: Mailman-Users@python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Plain text message arrives with wrong
encodingI have a client who is receiving messages from a Mailman list I run
that aren't showing up as expected. The list is supposed to be
converting to plain text and this works fine for me (I use
Thunderbird). My client on the other hand was getting the messages
with a non-plain text font. She uses Outlook. After much fumbling
around I noticed that the encoding of these messages are reported
as Central European by Outlook. If I manually change the encoding
on these messages to West European the messages look as I would
expect.I cannot figure out why these messages are showing up with Central
European encoding. All of the settings in Outlook are set to what I
would expect for a US user. I can't find anything that would point
to Outlook converting the message to Central European encoding. The
same message received by me in Thunderbird show up correctly with
Western encoding.She is also receiving messages from other sources and they are
showing up with the correct plain text font as set in Outlook. In
seems that she is only having problems with messages from my
Mailman server.Does anybody have any guesses as to what might be happening?
Thanks,
Paul Navarre
Glen Page Technology Systems Administrator ThetNet
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Glen Page wrote:
Not sure if this is related by I got an odd message from one of my
moderators. At least one list subscriber is getting messages but the
top half of the messages is gone. This is puzzling as it is not
happening to everyone on the list. I do NOT know what client is
displaying the partial messages. I do know that the moderator sending
the messages is using OS X Mail Client.Moderator has found that adding a few carriage returns to the top of
the original post makes it show up fine.
Is the moderator editing the post in some way? It seems perhaps the moderator is somehow editing the post, perhaps using one of the techniques in <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.009.htp> and is not separating the body of the edited messages fron the headers by at least one empty line. Note that an empty line is different from a blank line in that an empty line contains no characters while a blank line may contain spaces, tabs or other whitespace characters.
If the body is not separated from the headers by an empty line, the first portion of the body up to the first empty line in the body will be considered part of the headers.
-- Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Moderator is CREATING the message in the mail client. This a an
announce list so she is one of the only ones allowed to post to it. I
suspect that she might be using cut and paste to paste MS Word
content into the messages. I will tell her to just try adding a few
carriage returns.
Thanks
On Feb 16, 2007, at 11:34 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Glen Page wrote:
Not sure if this is related by I got an odd message from one of my moderators. At least one list subscriber is getting messages but the top half of the messages is gone. This is puzzling as it is not happening to everyone on the list. I do NOT know what client is displaying the partial messages. I do know that the moderator sending the messages is using OS X Mail Client.
Moderator has found that adding a few carriage returns to the top of the original post makes it show up fine.
Is the moderator editing the post in some way? It seems perhaps the moderator is somehow editing the post, perhaps using one of the techniques in <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.009.htp> and is not separating the body of the edited messages fron the headers by at least one empty line. Note that an empty line is different from a blank line in that an empty line contains no characters while a blank line may contain spaces, tabs or other whitespace characters.
If the body is not separated from the headers by an empty line, the first portion of the body up to the first empty line in the body will be considered part of the headers.
-- Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Glen Page Technology Systems Administrator ThetNet
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Glen Page wrote:
Moderator is CREATING the message in the mail client. This a an
announce list so she is one of the only ones allowed to post to it. I
suspect that she might be using cut and paste to paste MS Word
content into the messages. I will tell her to just try adding a few
carriage returns.
Is she using an Approved: line in the body to get the post accepted? There may be an issue around that, particularly if the 'missing' lines are missing from an HTML alternative part?
If she is not using an Approved: line, then I don't know what Mailman might be doing to the message that would require adding empty line(s) to the beginning.
-- Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
She is one of a very few that area allowed to post to this list. The
list is set to always accept messages from her. I don't think she
knows anything about putting Approve in the body.
not a big problem.. just a minor annoyance.
On Feb 16, 2007, at 12:27 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Glen Page wrote:
Moderator is CREATING the message in the mail client. This a an announce list so she is one of the only ones allowed to post to it. I suspect that she might be using cut and paste to paste MS Word content into the messages. I will tell her to just try adding a few carriage returns.
Is she using an Approved: line in the body to get the post accepted? There may be an issue around that, particularly if the 'missing' lines are missing from an HTML alternative part?
If she is not using an Approved: line, then I don't know what Mailman might be doing to the message that would require adding empty line(s) to the beginning.
-- Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Glen Page Technology Systems Administrator ThetNet
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