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Good morning, Until Wednesday night my Server was running like a champ then suddenly, mysteriously, Postfix broke for no apparent reason. It is failing to start reporting "no local interface found for..." and citing some IP address which is invalid for my system. I have not been able to get anywhere since Wednesday night and am now considering uninstalling Postfix and then reinstalling. I realize this is a Postfix issue, but I wanted to ask what are the consequences of uninstalling Postfix, then reinstalling as it relates to Mailman - do I need to do anything with my existing Mailman installation, will I need to reinstall, etc. Thanks! Dov
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On 5/30/2008 7:32 AM, Dov Oxenberg wrote:
Sounds like you have a problem with your NIC...
What have you done to try to remedy the situation? I am on the postfix list, and have not seen a single message from you about the problem. They are very knowledgeable people there - but you will need to be very specific with your problem description, and provide postconf -n output and logs of the errors...
Reinstalling would be silly at this point. Fix the problem. From your vague description, it sounds like a hardware problem.
Things never break 'for no reason'...
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Best regards,
Charles
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Hi Charles, Thanks for your prompt reply. The reason my description is "vague" is because I was reluctant to post details of a Postfix problem to the Mailman list. Mailman is running fine...I can log in to the Web interface, manage my list, users etc., and obviously Apache is running as well. I looked on postfix.org but did not see anything regarding a mailing list. Would you please be so kind as to provide a link or address where I can subscribe? Regards, Dov
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 07:44:13 -0400> From: CMarcus@Media-Brokers.com> To: mailman-users@python.org> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] re-install postfix?> > On 5/30/2008 7:32 AM, Dov Oxenberg wrote:> > Good morning,> > Until Wednesday night my Server was running like a champ then> > suddenly, mysteriously, Postfix broke for no apparent reason. It is> > failing to start reporting "no local interface found for..."> > Sounds like you have a problem with your NIC...> > > citing some IP address which is invalid for my system. I have not> > been able to get anywhere since Wednesday night and am now> > considering uninstalling Postfix and then reinstalling.> > What have you done to try to remedy the situation? I am on the postfix > list, and have not seen a single message from you about the problem. > They are very knowledgeable people there - but you will need to be very > specific with your problem description, and provide postconf -n output > and logs of the errors...> > > I realize this is a Postfix issue, but I wanted to ask what are the> > consequences of uninstalling Postfix, then reinstalling as it relates> > to Mailman - do I need to do anything with my existing Mailman> > installation, will I need to reinstall, etc.> > Reinstalling would be silly at this point. Fix the problem. From your > vague description, it sounds like a hardware problem.> > Things never break 'for no reason'...> > -- > > Best regards,> > Charles> ------------------------------------------------------> Mailman-Users mailing list> Mailman-Users@python.org> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/> Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/boxenberg%40hotmail.com> > Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
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Never mind, I found it. Please forgive the faux pas. Dov
From: boxenberg@hotmail.com> To: cmarcus@media-brokers.com; mailman-users@python.org> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 07:57:27 -0400> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] re-install postfix?> > Hi Charles,> Thanks for your prompt reply.> The reason my description is "vague" is because I was reluctant to post details of a Postfix problem to the Mailman list.> Mailman is running fine...I can log in to the Web interface, manage my list, users etc., and obviously Apache is running as well.> I looked on postfix.org but did not see anything regarding a mailing list.> Would you please be so kind as to provide a link or address where I can subscribe?> Regards,> Dov> > > > > Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 07:44:13 -0400> From: CMarcus@Media-Brokers.com> To: mailman-users@python.org> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] re-install postfix?> > On 5/30/2008 7:32 AM, Dov Oxenberg wrote:> > Good morning,> > Until Wednesday night my Server was running like a champ then> > suddenly, mysteriously, Postfix broke for no apparent reason. It is> > failing to start reporting "no local interface found for..."> > Sounds like you have a problem with your NIC...> > > citing some IP address which is invalid for my system. I have not> > been able to get anywhere since Wednesday night and am now> > considering uninstalling Postfix and then reinstalling.> > What have you done to try to remedy the situation? I am on the postfix > list, and have not seen a single message from you about the problem. > They are very knowledgeable people there - but you will need to be very > specific with your problem description, and provide postconf -n output > and logs of the errors...> > > I real!> ize this is a Postfix issue, but I wanted to ask what are the> > consequences of uninstalling Postfix, then reinstalling as it relates> > to Mailman - do I need to do anything with my existing Mailman> > installation, will I need to reinstall, etc.> > Reinstalling would be silly at this point. Fix the problem. From your > vague description, it sounds like a hardware problem.> > Things never break 'for no reason'...> > -- > > Best regards,> > Charles> ------------------------------------------------------> Mailman-Users mailing list> Mailman-Users@python.org> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/> Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/boxenberg%40hotmail.com> > Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp> ------------------------------------------------------> Mailman-Users mailing list> Mailman-Users@python.org> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/> Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/boxenberg%40hotmail.com> > Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
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Dov Oxenberg sent the message below at 04:32 5/30/2008:
I can't help with the postfix issues but I would suggest that on the mailman side of things that you shut down mailman until you get things fixed and then restart it afterward. I doubt you will have to do anything to it, but it can't hurt to be cautious.
Dragon
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Dov Oxenberg wrote:
This sounds like a configuration problem. Uninstalling and then re-installing the software isn't going to help you fix a configuration problem. You need to actually fix the configuration problem, in order to fix the configuration problem.
Hopefully, you've got an automatic backup system that keeps copies of all your configuration files in SCCS, RCS, CVS, Subversion, Bazar, or some other sort of versioning system, so that you can just pull out the latest configuration files you know are correct and then restore those.
If not, you may have quite a bit of work ahead of you, but uninstalling and reinstalling the software is not likely to help.
As far as Mailman is concerned, I don't think there's any impact. Not unless you used a package installation mechanism that would remove everything that depends on postfix (including Mailman), when you go to remove postfix. If that were to happen, you'd be seriously screwed.
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Dov Oxenberg wrote:
Check 'inet_interfaces' in Postfix's main.cf. Either there is a spurious entry or DNS is returning a spurious IP for some entry.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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Hi Mark! Thanks so much for the reply. Actually I was able to get this fixed last week thanks to some users on the Postfix list. All that time I had the value of inet_interfaces set to "ALL" (upper case) in main.cf. The day Postfix "broke" the Domain ALL.com got a "valid" IP on the Internet (Postfix began resolving ALL.com to whatever that IP address is/was). Changing the value "ALL" to lower case resolved the issue, although I was told I could just comment out the parameter entirely. Thanks for the follow-up, I appreciate it. Cheers, Dov
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:07:46 -0700> From: mark@msapiro.net> To: mailman-users@python.org> CC: boxenberg@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] re-install postfix?> > Dov Oxenberg wrote:> > > > Good morning, Until Wednesday night my Server was running like a> > champ then suddenly, mysteriously, Postfix broke for no apparent> > reason. It is failing to start reporting "no local interface found> > for..." and citing some IP address which is invalid for my system.> > > Check 'inet_interfaces' in Postfix's main.cf. Either there is a spurious> entry or DNS is returning a spurious IP for some entry.> > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers,> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan>
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On 5/30/2008 7:32 AM, Dov Oxenberg wrote:
Sounds like you have a problem with your NIC...
What have you done to try to remedy the situation? I am on the postfix list, and have not seen a single message from you about the problem. They are very knowledgeable people there - but you will need to be very specific with your problem description, and provide postconf -n output and logs of the errors...
Reinstalling would be silly at this point. Fix the problem. From your vague description, it sounds like a hardware problem.
Things never break 'for no reason'...
--
Best regards,
Charles
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Hi Charles, Thanks for your prompt reply. The reason my description is "vague" is because I was reluctant to post details of a Postfix problem to the Mailman list. Mailman is running fine...I can log in to the Web interface, manage my list, users etc., and obviously Apache is running as well. I looked on postfix.org but did not see anything regarding a mailing list. Would you please be so kind as to provide a link or address where I can subscribe? Regards, Dov
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 07:44:13 -0400> From: CMarcus@Media-Brokers.com> To: mailman-users@python.org> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] re-install postfix?> > On 5/30/2008 7:32 AM, Dov Oxenberg wrote:> > Good morning,> > Until Wednesday night my Server was running like a champ then> > suddenly, mysteriously, Postfix broke for no apparent reason. It is> > failing to start reporting "no local interface found for..."> > Sounds like you have a problem with your NIC...> > > citing some IP address which is invalid for my system. I have not> > been able to get anywhere since Wednesday night and am now> > considering uninstalling Postfix and then reinstalling.> > What have you done to try to remedy the situation? I am on the postfix > list, and have not seen a single message from you about the problem. > They are very knowledgeable people there - but you will need to be very > specific with your problem description, and provide postconf -n output > and logs of the errors...> > > I realize this is a Postfix issue, but I wanted to ask what are the> > consequences of uninstalling Postfix, then reinstalling as it relates> > to Mailman - do I need to do anything with my existing Mailman> > installation, will I need to reinstall, etc.> > Reinstalling would be silly at this point. Fix the problem. From your > vague description, it sounds like a hardware problem.> > Things never break 'for no reason'...> > -- > > Best regards,> > Charles> ------------------------------------------------------> Mailman-Users mailing list> Mailman-Users@python.org> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/> Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/boxenberg%40hotmail.com> > Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
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Never mind, I found it. Please forgive the faux pas. Dov
From: boxenberg@hotmail.com> To: cmarcus@media-brokers.com; mailman-users@python.org> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 07:57:27 -0400> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] re-install postfix?> > Hi Charles,> Thanks for your prompt reply.> The reason my description is "vague" is because I was reluctant to post details of a Postfix problem to the Mailman list.> Mailman is running fine...I can log in to the Web interface, manage my list, users etc., and obviously Apache is running as well.> I looked on postfix.org but did not see anything regarding a mailing list.> Would you please be so kind as to provide a link or address where I can subscribe?> Regards,> Dov> > > > > Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 07:44:13 -0400> From: CMarcus@Media-Brokers.com> To: mailman-users@python.org> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] re-install postfix?> > On 5/30/2008 7:32 AM, Dov Oxenberg wrote:> > Good morning,> > Until Wednesday night my Server was running like a champ then> > suddenly, mysteriously, Postfix broke for no apparent reason. It is> > failing to start reporting "no local interface found for..."> > Sounds like you have a problem with your NIC...> > > citing some IP address which is invalid for my system. I have not> > been able to get anywhere since Wednesday night and am now> > considering uninstalling Postfix and then reinstalling.> > What have you done to try to remedy the situation? I am on the postfix > list, and have not seen a single message from you about the problem. > They are very knowledgeable people there - but you will need to be very > specific with your problem description, and provide postconf -n output > and logs of the errors...> > > I real!> ize this is a Postfix issue, but I wanted to ask what are the> > consequences of uninstalling Postfix, then reinstalling as it relates> > to Mailman - do I need to do anything with my existing Mailman> > installation, will I need to reinstall, etc.> > Reinstalling would be silly at this point. Fix the problem. From your > vague description, it sounds like a hardware problem.> > Things never break 'for no reason'...> > -- > > Best regards,> > Charles> ------------------------------------------------------> Mailman-Users mailing list> Mailman-Users@python.org> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/> Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/boxenberg%40hotmail.com> > Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp> ------------------------------------------------------> Mailman-Users mailing list> Mailman-Users@python.org> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/> Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/boxenberg%40hotmail.com> > Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
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Dov Oxenberg sent the message below at 04:32 5/30/2008:
I can't help with the postfix issues but I would suggest that on the mailman side of things that you shut down mailman until you get things fixed and then restart it afterward. I doubt you will have to do anything to it, but it can't hurt to be cautious.
Dragon
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Dov Oxenberg wrote:
This sounds like a configuration problem. Uninstalling and then re-installing the software isn't going to help you fix a configuration problem. You need to actually fix the configuration problem, in order to fix the configuration problem.
Hopefully, you've got an automatic backup system that keeps copies of all your configuration files in SCCS, RCS, CVS, Subversion, Bazar, or some other sort of versioning system, so that you can just pull out the latest configuration files you know are correct and then restore those.
If not, you may have quite a bit of work ahead of you, but uninstalling and reinstalling the software is not likely to help.
As far as Mailman is concerned, I don't think there's any impact. Not unless you used a package installation mechanism that would remove everything that depends on postfix (including Mailman), when you go to remove postfix. If that were to happen, you'd be seriously screwed.
-- Brad Knowles <brad@shub-internet.org> LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>
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Dov Oxenberg wrote:
Check 'inet_interfaces' in Postfix's main.cf. Either there is a spurious entry or DNS is returning a spurious IP for some entry.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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Hi Mark! Thanks so much for the reply. Actually I was able to get this fixed last week thanks to some users on the Postfix list. All that time I had the value of inet_interfaces set to "ALL" (upper case) in main.cf. The day Postfix "broke" the Domain ALL.com got a "valid" IP on the Internet (Postfix began resolving ALL.com to whatever that IP address is/was). Changing the value "ALL" to lower case resolved the issue, although I was told I could just comment out the parameter entirely. Thanks for the follow-up, I appreciate it. Cheers, Dov
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:07:46 -0700> From: mark@msapiro.net> To: mailman-users@python.org> CC: boxenberg@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] re-install postfix?> > Dov Oxenberg wrote:> > > > Good morning, Until Wednesday night my Server was running like a> > champ then suddenly, mysteriously, Postfix broke for no apparent> > reason. It is failing to start reporting "no local interface found> > for..." and citing some IP address which is invalid for my system.> > > Check 'inet_interfaces' in Postfix's main.cf. Either there is a spurious> entry or DNS is returning a spurious IP for some entry.> > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers,> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan>
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