i am having serious problems with mailman. we have nearly 700 members on our mailing list, and only some people are getting mail. i have reviewed the help sections, but need to know, step-by-step, how to export the email addresses from the list. can you please help me? jeremy
jeremy wrote:
i am having serious problems with mailman. we have nearly 700 members on our mailing list, and only some people are getting mail. i have reviewed the help sections, but need to know, step-by-step, how to export the email addresses from the list. can you please help me?
The steps differ depending on what you want and whether Mailman is on your server or elswhere, what kind of access you have to the server if any or if you just have access to the web admin pages for your list. So someone may be able to help you if you describe your configuration.
Also, see the FAQ
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Articles 1.22 and 1.23, and search the archives of this list (see FAQ 1.18). This question has been answered many times on this list.
-- Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Please can someone help me? I have set a distribution list using mailman and my isp. I have set the replies to poster, but the whole list is receiving the replies, and it is annoying members of the list. Please people have discussed the confidentially issue.
Kind Regards
Mark
Hello!
On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 at 08:53:03AM +0100, Mark.A.Lombardo wrote:
Please can someone help me? I have set a distribution list using mailman and my isp. I have set the replies to poster, but the whole list is receiving the replies, and it is annoying members of the list. Please people have discussed the confidentially issue.
Two words: User education.
And set the "reply-to header" setting appropriately (i.e. do *not* set reply-to to the list), if you usually want direct replies to poster. Oh I read you have already done that.
Then... User education (they should use the reply to sender function, not group reply or list reply in their MUA if they want their replies to be private).
If they aren't supposed at all to send to the list, deny them the right to do so (possible on the web interface). Or set the list to moderated.
Kind Regards
Mark
Kind regards,
Hannah.
It they hit reply, it is redirecting the email to the list, this should not be the case. I have set the option to poster, so why does it post to the list.
Kind Regards
Mark
-----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+mark.a.lombardo=olney-scout-group.org.uk@python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mark.a.lombardo=olney-scout-group.org.uk@pytho n.org] On Behalf Of Hannah Schroeter Sent: 28 October 2005 10:39 To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Help
Hello!
On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 at 08:53:03AM +0100, Mark.A.Lombardo wrote:
Please can someone help me? I have set a distribution list using mailman and my isp. I have set the replies to poster, but the whole list is receiving the replies, and it is annoying members of the list. Please people have discussed the confidentially issue.
Two words: User education.
And set the "reply-to header" setting appropriately (i.e. do *not* set reply-to to the list), if you usually want direct replies to poster. Oh I read you have already done that.
Then... User education (they should use the reply to sender function, not group reply or list reply in their MUA if they want their replies to be private).
If they aren't supposed at all to send to the list, deny them the right to do so (possible on the web interface). Or set the list to moderated.
Kind Regards
Mark
Kind regards,
Hannah.
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Hello!
On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 at 12:39:27PM +0100, Mark.A.Lombardo wrote:
It they hit reply, it is redirecting the email to the list, this should not be the case. I have set the option to poster, so why does it post to the list.
Perhaps the original poster set "reply-to" to the list address.
The setting "poster" does just not add an own reply to, but it leaves original reply-to headers alone, AFAIK.
Kind regards,
Hannah.
Hello,
Please for novices around her don't use jargon. I sent the original message, and the message stating reply to poster.
Kind Regards
Mark
-----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+mark.a.lombardo=olney-scout-group.org.uk@python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mark.a.lombardo=olney-scout-group.org.uk@pytho n.org] On Behalf Of Hannah Schroeter Sent: 28 October 2005 12:51 To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Help
Hello!
On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 at 12:39:27PM +0100, Mark.A.Lombardo wrote:
It they hit reply, it is redirecting the email to the list, this should not be the case. I have set the option to poster, so why does it post to the list.
Perhaps the original poster set "reply-to" to the list address.
The setting "poster" does just not add an own reply to, but it leaves original reply-to headers alone, AFAIK.
Kind regards,
Hannah.
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Hello!
On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 at 01:11:34PM +0100, Mark.A.Lombardo wrote:
Hello,
Please for novices around her don't use jargon.
You get what you pay for.
And I think one can expect for people to educate themselves.
[...]
Kind regards,
Hannah - slightly annoyed by that attitude of entitlement.
Hi Hannah,
I apologise for my comments earlier on. I am getting very little support from my service provider on this issue. I am getting complaints from users of the list. As far as I was aware I had set it up, so what ever reply they hit it will direct the reply to the poster, and not to the list.
Kind Regards
Mark
-----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+mark.a.lombardo=olney-scout-group.org.uk@python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mark.a.lombardo=olney-scout-group.org.uk@pytho n.org] On Behalf Of Hannah Schroeter Sent: 28 October 2005 13:24 To: Mark.A.Lombardo Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Help
Hello!
On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 at 01:11:34PM +0100, Mark.A.Lombardo wrote:
Hello,
Please for novices around her don't use jargon.
You get what you pay for.
And I think one can expect for people to educate themselves.
[...]
Kind regards,
Hannah - slightly annoyed by that attitude of entitlement.
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Mark.A.Lombardo wrote:
As far as I was aware I had set it up, so what ever reply they hit it will direct the reply to the poster, and not to the list.
The only way to do this is to enable Full Personalization for the list which you may not be able to do (It requires that the Mailman installation have OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION set to Yes), or to post with the list address as a Bcc:. Otherwise, the list posting address will be in the To: or Cc: of the received post and 'reply all' will include it.
To post with the list in Bcc: you need to turn off require_explicit_destination on Privacy options...->Recipient filters or post with an Approved: header, or the post will be held for approval.
-- Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Hi Mark,
I am totally confused, can you explain this please?
Where are replies to list messages directed? Poster is strongly recommended for most mailing lists.
Poster
This list
Explicit address
Please can you explain this bit, for me, if this is set to poster, why does everyone get the reply.
Mark
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro@value.net] Sent: 28 October 2005 18:04 To: Mark.A.Lombardo; 'Hannah Schroeter' Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Help
Mark.A.Lombardo wrote:
As far as I was aware I had set it up, so what ever reply they
hit it will direct the reply to the poster, and not to the list.
The only way to do this is to enable Full Personalization for the list
which you may not be able to do (It requires that the Mailman
installation have OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION set to Yes), or to
post with the list address as a Bcc:. Otherwise, the list posting
address will be in the To: or Cc: of the received post and 'reply all'
will include it.
To post with the list in Bcc: you need to turn off
require_explicit_destination on Privacy options...->Recipient filters
or post with an Approved: header, or the post will be held for
approval.
--
Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Mark.A.Lombardo wrote:
I am totally confused, can you explain this please?
Where are replies to list messages directed? Poster is strongly recommended for most mailing lists.
Poster
This list
Explicit address
Please can you explain this bit, for me, if this is set to poster, why does everyone get the reply.
When a user tells his/her MUA (mail reader, email client) to 'reply' to the current message, the MUA is supposed to direct the reply to the address(es) in the Reply-To: header if any or to the address in From: if there is no Reply-To:.
If the above is set to 'poster', Mailman makes no change to the From: or Reply-To: header of the message.
If the above is set to 'this list' Mailman adds the list posting address to the addresses in the existing Reply-To: header if any and if first_strip_reply_to is No. Otherwise it just makes a Reply-To: with the list posting address.
If the above is set to 'explicit address', it works like 'this list' except the address used is the address in reply_to_address instead of the list posting address.
So, if the user tells the MUA to 'reply', it will generally work as you expect for any of the three cases.
However, if the user tells the MUA to 'reply all', the MUA normally directs the reply as in the 'reply' case, but also adds every address in the To: and Cc: headers of the current message to the recipients of the 'reply all'
Thus, if a user does 'reply all' to a post and the list posting address is in the To: or Cc: of the post, the reply will be sent to the list posting address as well as the poster and other addressees of the original message.
If you don't want this, and you DO want to allow list members in general to post, then you have to arrange for the list posting address to NOT appear in the To: or Cc: headers of the posts which you CAN NOT do. I said in a prior post that Full Personalization, if you can enable it, can do this by replacing the To: address with the recipient's address, BUT this won't do for you because it also puts the list posting address in Cc: in order to falicate the ability to reply to the list if the user wants to.
If you really do not want users to have the ability to reply to the list at all, as opposed to just when they do a simple 'reply' you have to set up the list as a one-way/announcement/newsletter list as described in the FAQ.
You basically have two choices:
set reply_goes_to_list to Poster and teach your list members to use 'reply' to reply to the poster and 'reply all' to reply to the poster and the list.
prevent your list members from posting at all by setting up the list as described in the FAQ.
At the risk of flogging a dead horse, you can't PREVENT your users from addressing replies to the list, you can only try to teach them not to or set up the list to not accept any posts from general list members.
-- Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Mark Sapiro wrote:
If you don't want this, and you DO want to allow list members in general to post, then you have to arrange for the list posting address to NOT appear in the To: or Cc: headers of the posts which you CAN NOT do.
Not quite correct. You can post by addressing the list in Bcc:, but if you're allowing general list members to post, they won't do it.
-- Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
I must be coming across as really thick and stupid. If I have set the tag to reply to poster, and I hit reply, then there is no way of mailman knowing which email address that came from
So in simple terms, if I put up a subject on the mailing list and I don't want people to reply, it is better to put the email address in the bcc field.
How do I set that the reply only comes to the person that posted the mail, and not the list, I thought setting the reply to poster it would only send the mal to the person who posted, and not the rest of the list. Is this not correct?
If this is not correct, then I am confused, because that is the way it reads.
If I set reply is sent to an explicit email address (ie mine), then if someone replies to an email I have sent to the list, it will send the reply to me.
So what happens if someone wants to reply to the whole list, and not just me, and I have the explicit email address set.
It must seems as though I am totally thick.
Mark
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro@value.net] Sent: 28 October 2005 19:07 To: Mark.A.Lombardo Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Help
Mark.A.Lombardo wrote:
I am totally confused, can you explain this please?
Where are replies to list messages directed? Poster is strongly recommended for most mailing lists.
Poster
This list
Explicit address
Please can you explain this bit, for me, if this is set to poster, why does everyone get the reply.
When a user tells his/her MUA (mail reader, email client) to 'reply' to the current message, the MUA is supposed to direct the reply to the address(es) in the Reply-To: header if any or to the address in From: if there is no Reply-To:.
If the above is set to 'poster', Mailman makes no change to the From: or Reply-To: header of the message.
If the above is set to 'this list' Mailman adds the list posting address to the addresses in the existing Reply-To: header if any and if first_strip_reply_to is No. Otherwise it just makes a Reply-To: with the list posting address.
If the above is set to 'explicit address', it works like 'this list' except the address used is the address in reply_to_address instead of the list posting address.
So, if the user tells the MUA to 'reply', it will generally work as you expect for any of the three cases.
However, if the user tells the MUA to 'reply all', the MUA normally directs the reply as in the 'reply' case, but also adds every address in the To: and Cc: headers of the current message to the recipients of the 'reply all'
Thus, if a user does 'reply all' to a post and the list posting address is in the To: or Cc: of the post, the reply will be sent to the list posting address as well as the poster and other addressees of the original message.
If you don't want this, and you DO want to allow list members in general to post, then you have to arrange for the list posting address to NOT appear in the To: or Cc: headers of the posts which you CAN NOT do. I said in a prior post that Full Personalization, if you can enable it, can do this by replacing the To: address with the recipient's address, BUT this won't do for you because it also puts the list posting address in Cc: in order to falicate the ability to reply to the list if the user wants to.
If you really do not want users to have the ability to reply to the list at all, as opposed to just when they do a simple 'reply' you have to set up the list as a one-way/announcement/newsletter list as described in the FAQ.
You basically have two choices:
set reply_goes_to_list to Poster and teach your list members to use 'reply' to reply to the poster and 'reply all' to reply to the poster and the list.
prevent your list members from posting at all by setting up the list as described in the FAQ.
At the risk of flogging a dead horse, you can't PREVENT your users from addressing replies to the list, you can only try to teach them not to or set up the list to not accept any posts from general list members.
-- Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Mark.A.Lombardo wrote:
I must be coming across as really thick and stupid. If I have set the tag to reply to poster, and I hit reply, then there is no way of mailman knowing which email address that came from
I'm not sure what you mean by this, but Mailman is not really involved here other than perhaps setting a Reply-To: address. It's you and your MUA (Outlook in your case) that decides where the reply/reply-all goes.
Consider this post of yours to the Mailman-Users list. The Mailman-Users list is set up with 'reply to poster'. I think you generated your post by some kind of 'reply-all' to my post. I think this because your post has an In-Reply-To: header with the message id of my post. It is addressed to me with a Cc: to the list, so unless you just 'replied' to me and manually added the Cc: to the list, the Cc: was added by the 'reply all'. Further evidence of your use of 'reply-all' is the fact that Hannah was addressed explicitly in your initial reply to a message from me, presumably because she was explicitly addressed in my message and you did 'reply-all'.
So anyway, I think you did 'reply-all' to my post, and the reply came to me with Cc: to the list because my previous post had Cc: to the list.
So in simple terms, if I put up a subject on the mailing list and I don't want people to reply, it is better to put the email address in the bcc field.
Do you want people to be able to reply to the list in general, and just not to this post, or do you want them to never reply to the list? The answer really depends on that and you've never said.
How do I set that the reply only comes to the person that posted the mail, and not the list, I thought setting the reply to poster it would only send the mal to the person who posted, and not the rest of the list. Is this not correct?
This depends on how the person replying does the actual replying. If the actual reply somehow reaches the list posting address, Mailman doesn't care how it got there or whether it was a reply to some prior post; it treats the post as any other from that sender.
If this is not correct, then I am confused, because that is the way it reads.
The configuration option only governs where a simple reply to sender only will go - nothing else - and it does this through the content of headers in the message only, not through any enforcement on a received reply.
If I set reply is sent to an explicit email address (ie mine), then if someone replies to an email I have sent to the list, it will send the reply to me.
It will actually be exactly the same as the reply to poster case if you are the original poster. It's only different if someone else sent the original post.
So what happens if someone wants to reply to the whole list, and not just me, and I have the explicit email address set.
They do reply all, and the reply is addressed to the list and to the explicit reply-to address and to any other addresses that were in the To: an Cc: of the received post (except perhaps their own).
-- Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
One other thing that hasn't been mentioned, but all the answers in this thread apply to replies to non-digest messages. Digests always have Reply-To: the list posting address.
-- Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
"Mark" == Mark A Lombardo
writes:
Mark> I must be coming across as really thick and stupid.Not at all, although it's maddening all around to run into this kind of communication block. Mark S is usually very successful at explaining but let me try from a somewhat different angle.
Mark> If I have set the tag to reply to poster, and I hit reply,
Mark> then there is no way of mailman knowing which email address
Mark> that came fromThat's right. It is not possible to prevent people who otherwise have permission to post from posting replies, except by having someone approve or deny every message. So mailman doesn't try.
Mark> How do I set that the reply only comes to the person that
Mark> posted the mail, and not the list, I thought setting the
Mark> reply to poster it would only send the mal to the person who
Mark> posted, and not the rest of the list. Is this not correct?No, but that's not your fault; that's precisely what the English says. The problem is that there is no standard provision in email for requesting personal replies. There is a non-standard header called "Mail-Followup-To", but only a minority of MUAs (MUA = message user agent, or mail program) respect it. As far as I know none of the ones commonly used on Windows or the Mac do.
The best we can guarantee is that Mailman won't encourage mail to go to the list. This is done by _not_ setting Reply-To. That is all that Mailman's reply-to-poster option accomplishes. In theory, Mailman could set Reply-To to be equal to From, but if Reply-To is missing, personal replies are normally sent to From. So that's no help.
Your users must be using reply-to-all (or perhaps reply-to-list) out of habit, and those commands are explicitly designed to send to the mailing list too. The presence of Reply-To is not going to override the user's choice.
It _is_ fairly easy to strongly discourage personal replies by setting Reply-To to the mailing list. So the situation is asymmetric in that sense.
Mark> So what happens if someone wants to reply to the whole list,
Mark> and not just me, and I have the explicit email address set.As Mark S explained, there is nothing that you (as original author) or Mailman can do about this. Whatever you set, some repliers will want their particular reply to go to the other place. It is always possible to force this, simply by directly entering the desired address(es). A full-featured MUA will make it convenient by providing several commands which send replies to different places, but not everybody uses those mail programs. And of course the MUA doesn't know when the user means to invoke reply-to-all, and when it's a mistake born of habit. :-(
While there's nothing wrong with what you want, in fact all of us in Mailman strong support protecting privacy, it turns out that only a very small minority of mailing lists have the need for privacy that yours does. In fact, the demand for a way to force replies to be public is much more common, and much stronger.
So not only doesn't Mailman have the feature you want, but I don't know of any mailing list manager that does. And I think it is impossible to implement reliably; there would always be many leaks.
All you can really do is strongly encourage your users to use the personal reply function of their MUA, or (as suggested before) use a blind CC to address the list and set full personalization on.
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Mark.A.Lombardo wrote:
Please for novices around her don't use jargon. I sent the original message, and the message stating reply to poster.
Perhaps the users are using 'reply all' or 'group reply' as I've done here instead of simple reply.
If you don't want users to be able to post to the list at all, go to the FAQ wizard
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and search for one-way or announcement or newsletter which will find Article 3.11 which will tell you how to set it up.
-- Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
MUA = ?
-----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+mark.a.lombardo=olney-scout-group.org.uk@python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mark.a.lombardo=olney-scout-group.org.uk@pytho n.org] On Behalf Of Hannah Schroeter Sent: 28 October 2005 10:39 To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Help
Hello!
On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 at 08:53:03AM +0100, Mark.A.Lombardo wrote:
Please can someone help me? I have set a distribution list using mailman and my isp. I have set the replies to poster, but the whole list is receiving the replies, and it is annoying members of the list. Please people have discussed the confidentially issue.
Two words: User education.
And set the "reply-to header" setting appropriately (i.e. do *not* set reply-to to the list), if you usually want direct replies to poster. Oh I read you have already done that.
Then... User education (they should use the reply to sender function, not group reply or list reply in their MUA if they want their replies to be private).
If they aren't supposed at all to send to the list, deny them the right to do so (possible on the web interface). Or set the list to moderated.
Kind Regards
Mark
Kind regards,
Hannah.
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