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hi,
I have 5 lists, list1, list2, list3, list4, and list5..
all the lists are working fine except list4, when adding or removing members from list4 it just tilts and nothing happens..
either by MASS SUBSCRIBE, or MASS REMOVAL or using add_members or remove members via SSH it just holds and nothing happens even if I left it for 30 minutes.. nothing until I click Ctrl+C to return to the command line..
what could be the problem?
Thanks
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2008, faisal anif wrote:
Have you checked ownerships and permissions?
-- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin_at_mfn.org 0xpgp_key_mgmt_is_broken-dont_bother
"Never belong to any party, always oppose privileged classes and public plunderers, never lack sympathy with the poor, always remain devoted to the public welfare, never be satisfied with merely printing news, always be drastically independent, never be afraid to attack wrong, whether by predatory plutocracy or predatory poverty."
Joseph Pulitzer 1907 Speech
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faisal anif wrote:
My first thought is a stale lock. See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/noA9>. However, this is not consistent with your being able to access the web admin interface for the list if in fact you can.
Read the FAQ and check for stale locks.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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So, we've gone from disappearing 'space" to a disappearing list!
The machine in question has no disappearing space, but after running flawlessly for 6/7 months, the "lists" page only shows 3 out of the four active lists (there's 2 admins, but I'm the only one who would do anything other than approve messages).
at http://lists.domain.com/mailman/listinfo/ I see
list2 Description
list3 Description
list4 Description
--> list1 is *gone*, yet is is fully operational and carrying heavy traffic. i can reach list1 directly at
http://lists.domain.com/mailman/listinfo/list1
On the file systems, everything *seems* OK (I ran perm_chk to be sure):
[root@lists /usr/spv/mailman]# ls -al lists total 14 drwxrwsr-x 7 root mailman 512 Jul 1 12:57 . drwxrwsr-x 19 mailman mailman 512 Nov 27 14:47 .. drwxrwsr-x 3 apache mailman 512 Nov 30 20:34 list1 drwxrwsr-x 3 apache mailman 512 Nov 30 18:35 list2 drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Nov 30 00:10 mailman drwxrwsr-x 3 apache mailman 512 Nov 30 20:48 list3 drwxrwsr-x 3 apache mailman 512 Nov 30 19:09 list4
[root@lists /usr/spv/mailman]# cd archives [root@lists /usr/spv/mailman]# ls -al total 8 drwxrwsr-x 4 root mailman 512 Jun 24 01:01 . drwxrwsr-x 19 mailman mailman 512 Nov 27 14:47 .. drwxrwsr-x 12 apache mailman 512 Jul 1 12:57 private drwxrwsr-x 2 apache mailman 512 Jul 1 12:57 public [root@lists /usr/spv/mailman/archives]# ls -al private total 24 drwxrwsr-x 12 apache mailman 512 Jul 1 12:57 . drwxrwsr-x 4 root mailman 512 Jun 24 01:01 .. drwxrwsr-x 10 apache mailman 1024 Nov 2 00:05 list1 drwxrwsr-x 2 apache mailman 512 Jun 28 00:10 list1.mbox drwxrwsr-x 10 apache mailman 1024 Nov 2 00:05 list2 drwxrwsr-x 2 apache mailman 512 Jun 28 00:21 list2.mbox drwxrwsr-x 5 apache mailman 512 Jul 3 03:27 mailman drwxrwsr-x 2 apache mailman 512 Jun 24 01:19 mailman.mbox drwxrwsr-x 5 apache mailman 512 Jul 1 12:49 list3 drwxrwsr-x 2 apache mailman 512 Jun 28 00:18 list3.mbox drwxrwsr-x 5 apache mailman 512 Jul 1 12:47 list4 drwxrwsr-x 2 apache mailman 512 Jun 28 00:18 list4.mbox
[root@lists /usr/spv/mailman/archives]# ls -al public/ total 4 drwxrwsr-x 2 apache mailman 512 Jul 1 12:57 . drwxrwsr-x 4 root mailman 512 Jun 24 01:01 .. lrwxr-xr-x 1 apache mailman 48 Jun 28 00:09 list1 -> /usr/spv/mailman/archives/private/list1 lrwxr-xr-x 1 apache mailman 49 Jun 28 00:16 list2 -> /usr/spv/mailman/archives/private/list2 lrwxr-xr-x 1 apache mailman 53 Jun 28 00:12 list3 -> /usr/spv/mailman/archives/private/list3 lrwxr-xr-x 1 apache mailman 52 Jun 28 00:15 list4 -> /usr/spv/mailman/archives/private/list4 [root@lists /usr/spv/mailman/archives]#
I've never seen this before - how about anyone here? the first anyone noticed this was about an hour ago, but it could have happened anytime in the last few weeks.
this is clearly something simple and in my face, but I dont see it.
//Alif
(BTW, the box with the disappearing space looks like logfiles - not done there yet, but I'm 90% certain it's rotation)
-- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin_at_mfn.org 0xpgp_key_mgmt_is_broken-dont_bother
"Never belong to any party, always oppose privileged classes and public plunderers, never lack sympathy with the poor, always remain devoted to the public welfare, never be satisfied with merely printing news, always be drastically independent, never be afraid to attack wrong, whether by predatory plutocracy or predatory poverty."
Joseph Pulitzer 1907 Speech
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J.A. Terranson wrote:
So, we've gone from disappearing 'space" to a disappearing list!
And what is the status of disappearing 'space"?
See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/6oA9>
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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Mark Sapiro wrote:
And what is the status of disappearing 'space"?
Having not read far enough down in your post.
(BTW, the box with the disappearing space looks like logfiles - not done there yet, but I'm 90% certain it's rotation)
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2008, Mark Sapiro wrote:
See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/6oA9>
What, besides clicking the web interface, would cause this to flip? 2 people have the password. I haven't been there since I set this up months ago, and I checked with the other admin, and she says shes only approved postings, and is afraid of the rest of the UI (I believe that BTW-she's just *terrified* of the ui).
I though about this and then dismissed it - improperly it would seem (blushing), as I should be the only one to touch it.
Thanks for allowing me to be a genuine schmuck :-) I both appreciate the help, and the self-inflicted reminder to check the obvious even if its impossible.
Nevertheless, just for me, was there another way?
//Alif
-- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin_at_mfn.org 0xpgp_key_mgmt_is_broken-dont_bother
"Never belong to any party, always oppose privileged classes and public plunderers, never lack sympathy with the poor, always remain devoted to the public welfare, never be satisfied with merely printing news, always be drastically independent, never be afraid to attack wrong, whether by predatory plutocracy or predatory poverty."
Joseph Pulitzer 1907 Speech
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J.A. Terranson
Nevertheless, just for me, was there another way?
List attributes like advertised can be changed via the web admin ui and via command line tools, e.g. bin/config_list and bin/withlist.
They can also be inadvertently changed by restoring old backups of the lists/LISTNAME/config.pck file, but that doesn't seem to be much of a possibility here.
There is one other rare possibility. If the list was originally created as a Mailman 2.0 list and migrated to 2.1, the migration converted the 2.0 lists/LISTNAME/config.db file to an "equivalent lists/LISTNAME/config.pck, but it left the lists/LISTNAME/config.db file in place. You should remove these files or move them aside. The reason is if somehow hboth the lists/LISTNAME/config.pck and lists/LISTNAME/config.pck.last files should become corrupt and unreadable, Mailman will fall back to the now ancient lists/LISTNAME/config.db if there is one. It is also not likely that this was the reason either.
As far as I know, no other Mailman process changes these attributes.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2008, faisal anif wrote:
Have you checked ownerships and permissions?
-- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin_at_mfn.org 0xpgp_key_mgmt_is_broken-dont_bother
"Never belong to any party, always oppose privileged classes and public plunderers, never lack sympathy with the poor, always remain devoted to the public welfare, never be satisfied with merely printing news, always be drastically independent, never be afraid to attack wrong, whether by predatory plutocracy or predatory poverty."
Joseph Pulitzer 1907 Speech
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faisal anif wrote:
My first thought is a stale lock. See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/noA9>. However, this is not consistent with your being able to access the web admin interface for the list if in fact you can.
Read the FAQ and check for stale locks.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/9aac8dfb2443fd797bb8acbcb2322fca.jpg?s=120&d=mm&r=g)
So, we've gone from disappearing 'space" to a disappearing list!
The machine in question has no disappearing space, but after running flawlessly for 6/7 months, the "lists" page only shows 3 out of the four active lists (there's 2 admins, but I'm the only one who would do anything other than approve messages).
at http://lists.domain.com/mailman/listinfo/ I see
list2 Description
list3 Description
list4 Description
--> list1 is *gone*, yet is is fully operational and carrying heavy traffic. i can reach list1 directly at
http://lists.domain.com/mailman/listinfo/list1
On the file systems, everything *seems* OK (I ran perm_chk to be sure):
[root@lists /usr/spv/mailman]# ls -al lists total 14 drwxrwsr-x 7 root mailman 512 Jul 1 12:57 . drwxrwsr-x 19 mailman mailman 512 Nov 27 14:47 .. drwxrwsr-x 3 apache mailman 512 Nov 30 20:34 list1 drwxrwsr-x 3 apache mailman 512 Nov 30 18:35 list2 drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Nov 30 00:10 mailman drwxrwsr-x 3 apache mailman 512 Nov 30 20:48 list3 drwxrwsr-x 3 apache mailman 512 Nov 30 19:09 list4
[root@lists /usr/spv/mailman]# cd archives [root@lists /usr/spv/mailman]# ls -al total 8 drwxrwsr-x 4 root mailman 512 Jun 24 01:01 . drwxrwsr-x 19 mailman mailman 512 Nov 27 14:47 .. drwxrwsr-x 12 apache mailman 512 Jul 1 12:57 private drwxrwsr-x 2 apache mailman 512 Jul 1 12:57 public [root@lists /usr/spv/mailman/archives]# ls -al private total 24 drwxrwsr-x 12 apache mailman 512 Jul 1 12:57 . drwxrwsr-x 4 root mailman 512 Jun 24 01:01 .. drwxrwsr-x 10 apache mailman 1024 Nov 2 00:05 list1 drwxrwsr-x 2 apache mailman 512 Jun 28 00:10 list1.mbox drwxrwsr-x 10 apache mailman 1024 Nov 2 00:05 list2 drwxrwsr-x 2 apache mailman 512 Jun 28 00:21 list2.mbox drwxrwsr-x 5 apache mailman 512 Jul 3 03:27 mailman drwxrwsr-x 2 apache mailman 512 Jun 24 01:19 mailman.mbox drwxrwsr-x 5 apache mailman 512 Jul 1 12:49 list3 drwxrwsr-x 2 apache mailman 512 Jun 28 00:18 list3.mbox drwxrwsr-x 5 apache mailman 512 Jul 1 12:47 list4 drwxrwsr-x 2 apache mailman 512 Jun 28 00:18 list4.mbox
[root@lists /usr/spv/mailman/archives]# ls -al public/ total 4 drwxrwsr-x 2 apache mailman 512 Jul 1 12:57 . drwxrwsr-x 4 root mailman 512 Jun 24 01:01 .. lrwxr-xr-x 1 apache mailman 48 Jun 28 00:09 list1 -> /usr/spv/mailman/archives/private/list1 lrwxr-xr-x 1 apache mailman 49 Jun 28 00:16 list2 -> /usr/spv/mailman/archives/private/list2 lrwxr-xr-x 1 apache mailman 53 Jun 28 00:12 list3 -> /usr/spv/mailman/archives/private/list3 lrwxr-xr-x 1 apache mailman 52 Jun 28 00:15 list4 -> /usr/spv/mailman/archives/private/list4 [root@lists /usr/spv/mailman/archives]#
I've never seen this before - how about anyone here? the first anyone noticed this was about an hour ago, but it could have happened anytime in the last few weeks.
this is clearly something simple and in my face, but I dont see it.
//Alif
(BTW, the box with the disappearing space looks like logfiles - not done there yet, but I'm 90% certain it's rotation)
-- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin_at_mfn.org 0xpgp_key_mgmt_is_broken-dont_bother
"Never belong to any party, always oppose privileged classes and public plunderers, never lack sympathy with the poor, always remain devoted to the public welfare, never be satisfied with merely printing news, always be drastically independent, never be afraid to attack wrong, whether by predatory plutocracy or predatory poverty."
Joseph Pulitzer 1907 Speech
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J.A. Terranson wrote:
So, we've gone from disappearing 'space" to a disappearing list!
And what is the status of disappearing 'space"?
See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/6oA9>
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/56f108518d7ee2544412cc80978e3182.jpg?s=120&d=mm&r=g)
Mark Sapiro wrote:
And what is the status of disappearing 'space"?
Having not read far enough down in your post.
(BTW, the box with the disappearing space looks like logfiles - not done there yet, but I'm 90% certain it's rotation)
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/9aac8dfb2443fd797bb8acbcb2322fca.jpg?s=120&d=mm&r=g)
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008, Mark Sapiro wrote:
See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/6oA9>
What, besides clicking the web interface, would cause this to flip? 2 people have the password. I haven't been there since I set this up months ago, and I checked with the other admin, and she says shes only approved postings, and is afraid of the rest of the UI (I believe that BTW-she's just *terrified* of the ui).
I though about this and then dismissed it - improperly it would seem (blushing), as I should be the only one to touch it.
Thanks for allowing me to be a genuine schmuck :-) I both appreciate the help, and the self-inflicted reminder to check the obvious even if its impossible.
Nevertheless, just for me, was there another way?
//Alif
-- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin_at_mfn.org 0xpgp_key_mgmt_is_broken-dont_bother
"Never belong to any party, always oppose privileged classes and public plunderers, never lack sympathy with the poor, always remain devoted to the public welfare, never be satisfied with merely printing news, always be drastically independent, never be afraid to attack wrong, whether by predatory plutocracy or predatory poverty."
Joseph Pulitzer 1907 Speech
![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/56f108518d7ee2544412cc80978e3182.jpg?s=120&d=mm&r=g)
J.A. Terranson
Nevertheless, just for me, was there another way?
List attributes like advertised can be changed via the web admin ui and via command line tools, e.g. bin/config_list and bin/withlist.
They can also be inadvertently changed by restoring old backups of the lists/LISTNAME/config.pck file, but that doesn't seem to be much of a possibility here.
There is one other rare possibility. If the list was originally created as a Mailman 2.0 list and migrated to 2.1, the migration converted the 2.0 lists/LISTNAME/config.db file to an "equivalent lists/LISTNAME/config.pck, but it left the lists/LISTNAME/config.db file in place. You should remove these files or move them aside. The reason is if somehow hboth the lists/LISTNAME/config.pck and lists/LISTNAME/config.pck.last files should become corrupt and unreadable, Mailman will fall back to the now ancient lists/LISTNAME/config.db if there is one. It is also not likely that this was the reason either.
As far as I know, no other Mailman process changes these attributes.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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