After some more testing I realize that I was getting the subscription and mod pending emails because the list owner email address is local to the server. IE no relaying.

If I put a local email addy on the subscriber list I get the post.

If I use a remote email addy as the list owner / moderator I do not receive the subscription/mod emails.

So it seems to be a case of all remote mail not being delivered. Which would make me think it's the qmail problem.

I have attempted to add SMTPHOST = 'FQDN' in mm_cfg.py.
I have not tried the IP of the server itself yet.

I added tcp-env: 127.0.0.1 : setenv RELAYCLIENT To /etc/hosts.allow

Neither of these helped.

I think maybe it's time for some qmail help but thought somebody might have ideas here first.

Thanks,

Yan Herndon Director of Technology Joint Technologies LTD 949-361-1158 jointtech.com

-----Original Message----- From: Yan Herndon Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:09 PM To: Yan Herndon; mailman-users@python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Relaying error

Sorry. I thought these 2 threads would get put together but my Outlook must have mangled something. Or possibly I'm stupid. Here is the relevant info:

Yan Herndon wrote:

I'm having a problem with my lists. All remote mail stopped being delivered.

I'm running Plesk 8.2 on CentOS.

Dedicated server.

Mailman was preinstalled.

I have done some googleing. Well actually my eyes are bleeding from

all

the reading. Seems like the problem is that mailman wants to send mail as localhost which is not allowed by Qmail.

The lists were working and I'm suspicious of a plesk update that happened a couple days ago via the updater. I know plesk isn't your responsibility but thought you may know something.

Neither is Qmail, but ...

Mailman delivers to the SMTP server and port defined by SMTPHOST and SMTPPORT which default to 'localhost' and 0 (which really means 25) respectively. You can assign these any values you wish in mm_cfg.py (or remove or change an existing assignment) if that will solve the problem.

However, it really seems that Qmail is not configured properly if it won't relay mail originating at 'localhost'.

Thanks,

Yan Herndon Director of Technology Joint Technologies LTD 949-361-1158 jointtech.com

-----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+yan=jointtech.com@python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+yan=jointtech.com@python.org] On Behalf Of Yan Herndon Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:03 PM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Relaying error

I am receiving messages when I setup the list. I also receive messages that there is a message awaiting moderation. When I send a post to the list and then accept it it shows up in the archive.

Just no actual posts go out.

If Qmail is not configured properly (wont relay from localhost)would I receive any messages? I'd like to know that before I go down the Qmail road.

In mm_cfg/py I did not see settings for SMTPPORT/HOST. They were in Defaults.py. Should I add them to mm_cfg.py and remove from defaults? Change it in Defaults? Add to mm_cfg and leave the old info in defaults?

Thanks for the help.

...

...

Neither is Qmail, but ...

Mailman delivers to the SMTP server and port defined by SMTPHOST and

SMTPPORT which default to 'localhost' and 0 (which really means 25)

respectively. You can assign these any values you wish in mm_cfg.py

(or remove or change an existing assignment) if that will solve the

problem.

However, it really seems that Qmail is not configured properly if it

won't relay mail originating at 'localhost'.

Thanks,

Yan Herndon

Director of Technology

Joint Technologies LTD

949-361-1158

jointtech.com

Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/yan%40jointtech.com

Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp

Thanks very much for your help. I shall consult the Qmail wizards for help and post back with the answer. I can't be the only one with Plesk/Qmail/mailman problems so maybe it will help. I would change over to the "real" mailman but it's nice having everything in one place in plesk.

Thanks,

Yan Herndon Director of Technology Joint Technologies LTD 949-361-1158 jointtech.com

-----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro@value.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:51 PM To: Yan Herndon; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Relaying error

Yan Herndon wrote:

After some more testing I realize that I was getting the subscription and mod pending emails because the list owner email address is local to the server. IE no relaying.

If I put a local email addy on the subscriber list I get the post.

If I use a remote email addy as the list owner / moderator I do not receive the subscription/mod emails.

So it seems to be a case of all remote mail not being delivered. Which would make me think it's the qmail problem.

Yes.

I have attempted to add SMTPHOST = 'FQDN' in mm_cfg.py.
I have not tried the IP of the server itself yet.

This will make things worse, because you don't want to allow qmail to relay mail from something that connects to 'FDQN' or the IP. You want qmail to relay from a connection to 'localhost' or 127.0.0.1.

I added tcp-env: 127.0.0.1 : setenv RELAYCLIENT To /etc/hosts.allow

I'm not sure about this, but the bottom line is it didn't help.

Neither of these helped.

I think maybe it's time for some qmail help but thought somebody might have ideas here first.

You need to remove SMTPHOST = 'FQDN' from mm_cfg.py and tell qmail to relay mail from 'localhost'. I can't tell you what the qmail incantation is.

-- Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

After some more testing I realize that I was getting the subscription and mod pending emails because the list owner email address is local to the server. IE no relaying.

If I put a local email addy on the subscriber list I get the post.

If I use a remote email addy as the list owner / moderator I do not receive the subscription/mod emails.

So it seems to be a case of all remote mail not being delivered. Which would make me think it's the qmail problem.

I have attempted to add SMTPHOST = 'FQDN' in mm_cfg.py.
I have not tried the IP of the server itself yet.

I added tcp-env: 127.0.0.1 : setenv RELAYCLIENT To /etc/hosts.allow

Neither of these helped.

I think maybe it's time for some qmail help but thought somebody might have ideas here first.

Thanks,

Yan Herndon Director of Technology Joint Technologies LTD 949-361-1158 jointtech.com

-----Original Message----- From: Yan Herndon Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:09 PM To: Yan Herndon; mailman-users@python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Relaying error

Sorry. I thought these 2 threads would get put together but my Outlook must have mangled something. Or possibly I'm stupid. Here is the relevant info:

Yan Herndon wrote:

I'm having a problem with my lists. All remote mail stopped being delivered.

I'm running Plesk 8.2 on CentOS.

Dedicated server.

Mailman was preinstalled.

I have done some googleing. Well actually my eyes are bleeding from

all

the reading. Seems like the problem is that mailman wants to send mail as localhost which is not allowed by Qmail.

The lists were working and I'm suspicious of a plesk update that happened a couple days ago via the updater. I know plesk isn't your responsibility but thought you may know something.

Neither is Qmail, but ...

Mailman delivers to the SMTP server and port defined by SMTPHOST and SMTPPORT which default to 'localhost' and 0 (which really means 25) respectively. You can assign these any values you wish in mm_cfg.py (or remove or change an existing assignment) if that will solve the problem.

However, it really seems that Qmail is not configured properly if it won't relay mail originating at 'localhost'.

Thanks,

Yan Herndon Director of Technology Joint Technologies LTD 949-361-1158 jointtech.com

-----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+yan=jointtech.com@python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+yan=jointtech.com@python.org] On Behalf Of Yan Herndon Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:03 PM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Relaying error

I am receiving messages when I setup the list. I also receive messages that there is a message awaiting moderation. When I send a post to the list and then accept it it shows up in the archive.

Just no actual posts go out.

If Qmail is not configured properly (wont relay from localhost)would I receive any messages? I'd like to know that before I go down the Qmail road.

In mm_cfg/py I did not see settings for SMTPPORT/HOST. They were in Defaults.py. Should I add them to mm_cfg.py and remove from defaults? Change it in Defaults? Add to mm_cfg and leave the old info in defaults?

Thanks for the help.

...

...

Neither is Qmail, but ...

Mailman delivers to the SMTP server and port defined by SMTPHOST and

SMTPPORT which default to 'localhost' and 0 (which really means 25)

respectively. You can assign these any values you wish in mm_cfg.py

(or remove or change an existing assignment) if that will solve the

problem.

However, it really seems that Qmail is not configured properly if it

won't relay mail originating at 'localhost'.

Thanks,

Yan Herndon

Director of Technology

Joint Technologies LTD

949-361-1158

jointtech.com

Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/yan%40jointtech.com

Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp

Thanks very much for your help. I shall consult the Qmail wizards for help and post back with the answer. I can't be the only one with Plesk/Qmail/mailman problems so maybe it will help. I would change over to the "real" mailman but it's nice having everything in one place in plesk.

Thanks,

Yan Herndon Director of Technology Joint Technologies LTD 949-361-1158 jointtech.com

-----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro@value.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:51 PM To: Yan Herndon; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Relaying error

Yan Herndon wrote:

After some more testing I realize that I was getting the subscription and mod pending emails because the list owner email address is local to the server. IE no relaying.

If I put a local email addy on the subscriber list I get the post.

If I use a remote email addy as the list owner / moderator I do not receive the subscription/mod emails.

So it seems to be a case of all remote mail not being delivered. Which would make me think it's the qmail problem.

Yes.

I have attempted to add SMTPHOST = 'FQDN' in mm_cfg.py.
I have not tried the IP of the server itself yet.

This will make things worse, because you don't want to allow qmail to relay mail from something that connects to 'FDQN' or the IP. You want qmail to relay from a connection to 'localhost' or 127.0.0.1.

I added tcp-env: 127.0.0.1 : setenv RELAYCLIENT To /etc/hosts.allow

I'm not sure about this, but the bottom line is it didn't help.

Neither of these helped.

I think maybe it's time for some qmail help but thought somebody might have ideas here first.

You need to remove SMTPHOST = 'FQDN' from mm_cfg.py and tell qmail to relay mail from 'localhost'. I can't tell you what the qmail incantation is.

-- Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan