Fw: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
Seeking the solution on below forwarded mail of a sender who is a subscriber of mailing list running on mailman. Is this issue persisting from the sender end or do we have any solution from our side.
thanks,
Amit Bhatt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kapil" <kapil0912@gmail.com> To: "Amit bhatt" <misterbhatt@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:01 AM Subject: FW: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
Whith best regard kapil email kapil0912@gmail.com facebook i.d kapil.mittal2@facebook.com mobile 09013386781
-original message- Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <mailer-daemon@googlemail.com> Date: 16/01/2013 9:54 am
Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
sayeverything@sayeverything.org----- Original message -----
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Hi frandes as many of us know those who are joining govt services from or in some cases after 2004 are come under new pension skeem NPS 10 percent of their basic and d.a is deducted and same is contributed by govt that is known as CPF this amount is invested in d marcket through SBI LIC and UTI so there is know phics returns as in d GPF. After retirement whatever corpus build some percentage of that will be given to them and rest will be used for givinng pension. Now i have some quastions please share your knowledge. What percentage of corpus will be given? What will b d methord of calculating pension? Can we increase d percentage in iquity? Can we change d ratio among SBI and others? I mean do we have any control on that? Whith best regard kapil email kapil0912@gmail.com facebook i.d kapil.mittal2@facebook.com mobile 09013386781
What language is he writing in?
Roger
-----Original Message----- From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+roger.richcorp=btconnect.com@python.org] On Behalf Of Amit Bhatt Sent: 19 January 2013 14:39 To: Mailman-Users@python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
Seeking the solution on below forwarded mail of a sender who is a subscriber of mailing list running on mailman. Is this issue persisting from the sender end or do we have any solution from our side.
thanks,
Amit Bhatt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kapil" <kapil0912@gmail.com> To: "Amit bhatt" <misterbhatt@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:01 AM Subject: FW: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
Whith best regard kapil email kapil0912@gmail.com facebook i.d kapil.mittal2@facebook.com mobile 09013386781
-original message- Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <mailer-daemon@googlemail.com> Date: 16/01/2013 9:54 am
Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
sayeverything@sayeverything.org----- Original message -----
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:reply-to:to:subject:date:message-id:x-mailer :mime-version:content-language:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=QZ8wXoEk9p0B2+pYF5564rjbE5BFyuEEcCKJXrn6wqQ=; b=Id+dAhioAZP8sWIrpB0PTauNxauKUBpHrK+y89JbhFnrI4OqzOVfIrvb4fvneV2L9f
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68XctGPKEzJou6UGGd3p160Yh9mLnt4zbZj9JkvIJ31mDyKf2wXNJ2Rh9Mtg/WDcrzQM
JKQXK2Vqvux3yvV6fXeaw1hAVl8WIqAA9QxU5lySeTphQM6adH3njlil0bxi0S+NxYiO P15Q== X-Received: by 10.66.84.195 with SMTP id b3mr376594paz.30.1358310252333; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:24:12 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: <kapil0912@gmail.com> Received: from [59.179.32.30] ([59.179.32.30]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id sk1sm11483820pbc.0.2013.01.15.20.24.07 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:24:11 -0800 (PST) From: "Kapil" <kapil0912@gmail.com> Reply-to: "Kapil" <kapil0912@gmail.com> To: Access india <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>, Sayeverything <sayeverything@sayeverything.org > Subject: N.P.s for govt emploees Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:55:06 +0530 Message-ID: <ML4lvKVL8294.yZx2GHbv@smtp.gmail.com> X-Mailer: EPOC Email Version 2.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: i-default Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi frandes as many of us know those who are joining govt services from or in
some cases after 2004 are come under new pension skeem NPS 10 percent of their basic and d.a is deducted and same is contributed by govt that is known as CPF this amount is invested in d marcket through SBI LIC and UTI so
there is know phics returns as in d GPF. After retirement whatever corpus build some percentage of that will be given to them and rest will be used for givinng pension. Now i have some quastions please share your knowledge. What percentage of corpus will be given? What will b d methord of calculating pension? Can we increase d percentage in iquity? Can we change d
ratio among SBI and others? I mean do we have any control on that? Whith best regard kapil email kapil0912@gmail.com facebook i.d kapil.mittal2@facebook.com mobile 09013386781
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Amit Bhatt wroye:
Is the problem that the sender is a member of your list and when he attempts to post to the list he receives this DSN?
[...]
If so, googlemail is telling him that his message could not be delivered to sayeverything@sayeverything.org, although it presumably was delivered to accessindia@accessindia.org.in. Which of these is your list?
It is not like gmail/googlemail to not include some reason for the non-delivery. Are you sure that what you posted is the complete message the user received from googlemail?
Without knowing why googlemail can't deliver the message, it's hard to suggest possible remedies.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Yes, he is the member of my mailing list and he does receive this error whenever he sends any message across the list.
Thanks,
Amit Bhatt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sapiro" <mark@msapiro.net> To: "Amit Bhatt" <misterbhatt@gmail.com>; <Mailman-Users@python.org> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 2:56 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
Amit Bhatt wrote:
Yes, he is the member of my mailing list and he does receive this error whenever he sends any message across the list.
And as I said
Go back to the user and ask him if he is sure there wasn't any other information in the DSN.
Also, check your incoming MTA logs to see if there is anything there to indicate you rejected the message.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
I don't think there is any issue persisting because of Gmail, but just like to tell that he is sending the messages from his mobile phone.
Thanks,
Amit Bhatt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sapiro" <mark@msapiro.net> To: "Amit Bhatt" <misterbhatt@gmail.com>; <Mailman-Users@python.org> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
Amit Bhatt wrote:
I don't think there is any issue persisting because of Gmail, but just like to tell that he is sending the messages from his mobile phone.
What happens if he sends from something other than his phone?
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
On 20/01/2013 05:27, Mark Sapiro wrote:
My thoughts also. If he's using ISP-provided SMTP, or they're transparently proxying outbound by whatever means, that might cause an SPF related bounce depending whether the sayeverything.org mailserver's enforcing strict policies.
Alternatively his messages may be being flagged as spam because he's sending from an Indian ISP ipblock (I aggressively nullroute all traffic from Chinese ipblocks on the servers I admin because I only ever, ever get abusive hack attempts from them, and that's before my dnswl and other list-checking procedures for incoming email).
I was wondering if the space at the end of the sayeverything.org domain (see his original quoted message) would make a difference but I've done two-way testing and both GMail and third party mailservers seem to either ignore or strip out the extraneous whitespace at the end of my domains during testing. This may be Thunderbird doing it for me also.
However if EPOC Email -- the Psion OS client! -- doesn't handle whitespace stripping, this might be causing the GMail problem where it's unable to send. I did check the error message but the mailer daemon return error didn't include any whitespace on the end of the message. However that could just be the mailer daemon send procedure stripping off the whitespace or just ignoring it. I did also find it unusual that Google included no technical details as to the nature of the failure, in my experience it's always done that.
I suggest the OP recommends his user experiencing the problem to first try re-typing, from scratch, the sayeverything@sayeverything.org list address, without the whitespace on the end, deleting any existing entries in his address book to avoid unintended repeat or autofill of the wrong address. Send a test message, and if that doesn't work, try from a desktop computer or the web interface.
If that doesn't work, he should try sending email to just the sayeverything mailserver with no CCs or multiple recipients (I noted he sent the same email to two addresses both in the primary To: field, good practice would have been to CC one of the recipients).
Failing that, it's time to get physical with the server hosting the sayeverything mailing list.
Best of luck... Chris
What language is he writing in?
Roger
-----Original Message----- From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+roger.richcorp=btconnect.com@python.org] On Behalf Of Amit Bhatt Sent: 19 January 2013 14:39 To: Mailman-Users@python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
Seeking the solution on below forwarded mail of a sender who is a subscriber of mailing list running on mailman. Is this issue persisting from the sender end or do we have any solution from our side.
thanks,
Amit Bhatt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kapil" <kapil0912@gmail.com> To: "Amit bhatt" <misterbhatt@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:01 AM Subject: FW: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
Whith best regard kapil email kapil0912@gmail.com facebook i.d kapil.mittal2@facebook.com mobile 09013386781
-original message- Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <mailer-daemon@googlemail.com> Date: 16/01/2013 9:54 am
Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
sayeverything@sayeverything.org----- Original message -----
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68XctGPKEzJou6UGGd3p160Yh9mLnt4zbZj9JkvIJ31mDyKf2wXNJ2Rh9Mtg/WDcrzQM
JKQXK2Vqvux3yvV6fXeaw1hAVl8WIqAA9QxU5lySeTphQM6adH3njlil0bxi0S+NxYiO P15Q== X-Received: by 10.66.84.195 with SMTP id b3mr376594paz.30.1358310252333; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:24:12 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: <kapil0912@gmail.com> Received: from [59.179.32.30] ([59.179.32.30]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id sk1sm11483820pbc.0.2013.01.15.20.24.07 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:24:11 -0800 (PST) From: "Kapil" <kapil0912@gmail.com> Reply-to: "Kapil" <kapil0912@gmail.com> To: Access india <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>, Sayeverything <sayeverything@sayeverything.org > Subject: N.P.s for govt emploees Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:55:06 +0530 Message-ID: <ML4lvKVL8294.yZx2GHbv@smtp.gmail.com> X-Mailer: EPOC Email Version 2.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: i-default Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi frandes as many of us know those who are joining govt services from or in
some cases after 2004 are come under new pension skeem NPS 10 percent of their basic and d.a is deducted and same is contributed by govt that is known as CPF this amount is invested in d marcket through SBI LIC and UTI so
there is know phics returns as in d GPF. After retirement whatever corpus build some percentage of that will be given to them and rest will be used for givinng pension. Now i have some quastions please share your knowledge. What percentage of corpus will be given? What will b d methord of calculating pension? Can we increase d percentage in iquity? Can we change d
ratio among SBI and others? I mean do we have any control on that? Whith best regard kapil email kapil0912@gmail.com facebook i.d kapil.mittal2@facebook.com mobile 09013386781
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Amit Bhatt wroye:
Is the problem that the sender is a member of your list and when he attempts to post to the list he receives this DSN?
[...]
If so, googlemail is telling him that his message could not be delivered to sayeverything@sayeverything.org, although it presumably was delivered to accessindia@accessindia.org.in. Which of these is your list?
It is not like gmail/googlemail to not include some reason for the non-delivery. Are you sure that what you posted is the complete message the user received from googlemail?
Without knowing why googlemail can't deliver the message, it's hard to suggest possible remedies.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Yes, he is the member of my mailing list and he does receive this error whenever he sends any message across the list.
Thanks,
Amit Bhatt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sapiro" <mark@msapiro.net> To: "Amit Bhatt" <misterbhatt@gmail.com>; <Mailman-Users@python.org> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 2:56 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
Amit Bhatt wrote:
Yes, he is the member of my mailing list and he does receive this error whenever he sends any message across the list.
And as I said
Go back to the user and ask him if he is sure there wasn't any other information in the DSN.
Also, check your incoming MTA logs to see if there is anything there to indicate you rejected the message.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
I don't think there is any issue persisting because of Gmail, but just like to tell that he is sending the messages from his mobile phone.
Thanks,
Amit Bhatt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sapiro" <mark@msapiro.net> To: "Amit Bhatt" <misterbhatt@gmail.com>; <Mailman-Users@python.org> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
Amit Bhatt wrote:
I don't think there is any issue persisting because of Gmail, but just like to tell that he is sending the messages from his mobile phone.
What happens if he sends from something other than his phone?
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
On 20/01/2013 05:27, Mark Sapiro wrote:
My thoughts also. If he's using ISP-provided SMTP, or they're transparently proxying outbound by whatever means, that might cause an SPF related bounce depending whether the sayeverything.org mailserver's enforcing strict policies.
Alternatively his messages may be being flagged as spam because he's sending from an Indian ISP ipblock (I aggressively nullroute all traffic from Chinese ipblocks on the servers I admin because I only ever, ever get abusive hack attempts from them, and that's before my dnswl and other list-checking procedures for incoming email).
I was wondering if the space at the end of the sayeverything.org domain (see his original quoted message) would make a difference but I've done two-way testing and both GMail and third party mailservers seem to either ignore or strip out the extraneous whitespace at the end of my domains during testing. This may be Thunderbird doing it for me also.
However if EPOC Email -- the Psion OS client! -- doesn't handle whitespace stripping, this might be causing the GMail problem where it's unable to send. I did check the error message but the mailer daemon return error didn't include any whitespace on the end of the message. However that could just be the mailer daemon send procedure stripping off the whitespace or just ignoring it. I did also find it unusual that Google included no technical details as to the nature of the failure, in my experience it's always done that.
I suggest the OP recommends his user experiencing the problem to first try re-typing, from scratch, the sayeverything@sayeverything.org list address, without the whitespace on the end, deleting any existing entries in his address book to avoid unintended repeat or autofill of the wrong address. Send a test message, and if that doesn't work, try from a desktop computer or the web interface.
If that doesn't work, he should try sending email to just the sayeverything mailserver with no CCs or multiple recipients (I noted he sent the same email to two addresses both in the primary To: field, good practice would have been to CC one of the recipients).
Failing that, it's time to get physical with the server hosting the sayeverything mailing list.
Best of luck... Chris
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Amit Bhatt -
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Mark Sapiro -
Roger Richmond