Is there a way to not change over to alphabetical view of the members list once it has over N number of users? I have about 25 emails and would rather see them all in one page then broken down by letters. It makes it easier when I have to disable a couple of users from receiving an email and then turning them back on.
Thanks
Eli Tuber" eli.tuber@gmail.com Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 21:38:08 -0400 To: mailman-users@python.org
Is there a way to not change over to alphabetical view of the members list once it has over N number of users? I have about 25 emails and would rather see them all in one page then broken down by letters. It makes it easier when I have to disable a couple of users from receiving an email and then turning them back on.
No, but you can increase the value of N for a list.
See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.030.htp
-- Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
On 6/8/06 6:50 PM, "Mark Sapiro" msapiro@value.net wrote:
Eli Tuber" eli.tuber@gmail.com Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 21:38:08 -0400 To: mailman-users@python.org
Is there a way to not change over to alphabetical view of the members list once it has over N number of users? I have about 25 emails and would rather see them all in one page then broken down by letters. It makes it easier when I have to disable a couple of users from receiving an email and then turning them back on.
No, but you can increase the value of N for a list.
See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.030.htp
I always worry about changing default values, but in this case the world has changed. Is 25 still the right default in this age when few list owner/admin folks are on dialup? Just one more thing to contemplate.
--John
John W. Baxter wrote:
I always worry about changing default values, but in this case the world has changed. Is 25 still the right default in this age when few list owner/admin folks are on dialup? Just one more thing to contemplate.
Actually, the distributed default is 30, but your point is still valid.
I prefer however to think in terms of the RFEs on this which ask for various things from simply exposing the parameter in the web interface to providing a radio button selection (e.g. 20, 50, 100, all) on the pages to paginating without regard for the alphabet.
I like the latter idea which would allow, in the example of chunk size = 30, for a list of 31 to 60 members to be displayed in two pages rather than 20 or more. This can make it more difficult to find a particular member in a large list, but the 'Find member' function is probably better for this anyway.
Other thoughts?
-- Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
In a flurry of recycled electrons, Mark Sapiro wrote:
I prefer however to think in terms of the RFEs on this which ask for various things from simply exposing the parameter in the web interface to providing a radio button selection (e.g. 20, 50, 100, all) on the pages to paginating without regard for the alphabet.
How about chunk size and by-letter or whole-list (to apply the chunk)? I'm willing to bet that the admin of a 300 member list would like to display by letter, but set the chuck size huge so they see an entire letter on one page.
I like the latter idea which would allow, in the example of chunk size = 30, for a list of 31 to 60 members to be displayed in two pages rather than 20 or more. This can make it more difficult to find a particular member in a large list, but the 'Find member' function is probably better for this anyway.
That sounds good to me. In the case of small-ish lists, skimming 2 or 3 pages to find an email address is less likely to annoy than trying to remember which letter to start with.
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Mark Sapiro wrote:
I prefer however to think in terms of the RFEs on this which ask for various things from simply exposing the parameter in the web interface to providing a radio button selection (e.g. 20, 50, 100, all) on the pages to paginating without regard for the alphabet.
I like the latter idea which would allow, in the example of chunk size = 30, for a list of 31 to 60 members to be displayed in two pages rather than 20 or more. This can make it more difficult to find a particular member in a large list, but the 'Find member' function is probably better for this anyway.
Other thoughts?
I lean toward paginating without regard to the alphabet as well and agree that finding a specific member is best done via the "find member" search.
None of the lists I help manage are very large, all less than 2,000 members. So those running larger lists may have good reasons for preferring other defaults and options that I've never thought about. And, of course, there are others that simply have different preferences than I do even for the same size lists (or so I hear).
But it is a minor irritation every time I am in the web admin for a list and just want to scan through it checking visually for things out of the ordinary. Fortunately, I have shell access (hell, root access) everywhere I manage lists. So I'm never unable to just open a terminal and get the data I want.
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I actually like the idea that the user can control the breakdown size and the amount of members that are listed per page. Personally as long as the list is sorted finding the users should not be very hard on a moderate size list.
This is my first time posting on this users group. What would it take to have this changes take place? I could really use them for my groups. :-)
Thanks ET
On 6/9/06, Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net wrote:
John W. Baxter wrote:
I always worry about changing default values, but in this case the world
has
changed. Is 25 still the right default in this age when few list owner/admin folks are on dialup? Just one more thing to contemplate.
Actually, the distributed default is 30, but your point is still valid.
I prefer however to think in terms of the RFEs on this which ask for various things from simply exposing the parameter in the web interface to providing a radio button selection (e.g. 20, 50, 100, all) on the pages to paginating without regard for the alphabet.
I like the latter idea which would allow, in the example of chunk size = 30, for a list of 31 to 60 members to be displayed in two pages rather than 20 or more. This can make it more difficult to find a particular member in a large list, but the 'Find member' function is probably better for this anyway.
Other thoughts?
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Eli Tuber wrote:
I actually like the idea that the user can control the breakdown size and the amount of members that are listed per page. Personally as long as the list is sorted finding the users should not be very hard on a moderate size list.
This is my first time posting on this users group. What would it take to have this changes take place? I could really use them for my groups. :-)
The most effective easy thing would be to visit the existing RFE at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=782436&group_id=103&atid=350103 and add your comments and support for the idea.
You could also add a comment at http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Mailman+2.2
The most effective but not easy thing is to implement it your self in a style that is consistent with the existing Mailman base and submit it as a patch. This requires in addition to the obvious knowledge of Python programming, reading lots of Mailman code and the guides "Python coding style guide for Mailman" http://barry.warsaw.us/software/STYLEGUIDE.txt and "Style Guide for Python Code" http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/.
-- Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
On 6/9/06 5:10 PM, "Mark Sapiro" msapiro@value.net wrote:
I like the latter idea which would allow, in the example of chunk size = 30, for a list of 31 to 60 members to be displayed in two pages rather than 20 or more. This can make it more difficult to find a particular member in a large list, but the 'Find member' function is probably better for this anyway.
Other thoughts?
I just put a supporting comment into the related RFE (782436).
However, we need to remember that we got to where we are because people didn't like the old (1.0.x) way of doing this. The page size choice might have been the better way to fix that.
--John
John W. Baxter wrote:
However, we need to remember that we got to where we are because people didn't like the old (1.0.x) way of doing this. The page size choice might have been the better way to fix that.
Thanks for the history John. So far, nothing has been done towards an implementation, but it is clear that something needs to be done. Whether that something is just allowing control of members per page, filling each page but the last or a combination is not yet clear.
I hope that interested people will add their ideas to the RFE http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=350103&aid=782436&group_id=103.
-- Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Just for the record. I had our sysadmin make the changes suggested below and it worked perfectly even on existing lists. GUI preference setup would be nice but at least I can now change the default user count.
Thanks to all.
Eli
On 6/8/06, Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net wrote:
Eli Tuber" eli.tuber@gmail.com Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 21:38:08 -0400 To: mailman-users@python.org
Is there a way to not change over to alphabetical view of the members list once it has over N number of users? I have about 25 emails and would rather see them all in one page then broken down by letters. It makes it easier when I have to disable a couple of users from receiving an email and then turning them back on.
No, but you can increase the value of N for a list.
See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.030.htp
-- Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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