hi
two questions:
When I post to my mailming list the From address comes like "mylist-bounces@mydomain.com". Why can't I have the from address as the address of the sender?
I want the posts from non-members to go through successfully and without moderation? How to do it from command line?
Also, I want to make sure that non-members do not become memebers when they post mails !
Thanks in advance.
--yogesh
- Yogesh Subhash Talekar yogesh@unipune.ernet.in:
hi
two questions:
- When I post to my mailming list the From address comes like "mylist-bounces@mydomain.com". Why can't I have the from address as the address of the sender?
Because that's where bounces go, and you want automatic unsubscription to work, don't you?
-- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt@charite.de Charite - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 IT-Zentrum Standort Campus Mitte AIM. ralfpostfix
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:44:17 +0200 Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
- Yogesh Subhash Talekar yogesh@unipune.ernet.in:
hi
two questions:
- When I post to my mailming list the From address comes like "mylist-bounces@mydomain.com". Why can't I have the from address as the address of the sender?
Because that's where bounces go, and you want automatic unsubscription to work, don't you?
And, as a subscriber, I don't want all the bounce messages coming to me! As Ralf says, let mailman see the bounces and deal with them.
--On Wednesday, June 30, 2004 10:55 am -0400 David Relson relson@osagesoftware.com wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:44:17 +0200 Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
- Yogesh Subhash Talekar yogesh@unipune.ernet.in:
hi
two questions:
- When I post to my mailming list the From address comes like "mylist-bounces@mydomain.com". Why can't I have the from address as the address of the sender?
Because that's where bounces go, and you want automatic unsubscription to work, don't you?
And, as a subscriber, I don't want all the bounce messages coming to me! As Ralf says, let mailman see the bounces and deal with them.
No, that's wrong. The question was about the "From:" address. Bounces go to the "Sender:" address. The from address has to be the person who composed the message. The sender address is the agent that sent it to the recipient.
There is an option in the "General Options" page of the web management utility which hides the original sender of the message. "Hide the sender of a message, replacing it with the list address (Removes From, Sender and Reply-To fields)". It fixes a setting called "anonymous_list".
-- Ian Eiloart Servers Team Sussex University ITS
At 5:16 PM +0100 2004-06-30, Ian A B Eiloart wrote:
- When I post to my mailming list the From address comes like "mylist-bounces@mydomain.com". Why can't I have the from address as the address of the sender?
Because that's where bounces go, and you want automatic unsubscription to work, don't you?
And, as a subscriber, I don't want all the bounce messages coming to me! As Ralf says, let mailman see the bounces and deal with them.
No, that's wrong. The question was about the "From:" address. Bounces go to the "Sender:" address. The from address has to be the person who composed the message. The sender address is the agent that sent it to the recipient.
There is the header "From:" field, and then there is the envelope sender address. The latter is sometimes indicated as something like:
From <iane@sussex.ac.uk>
In particular, note the lack of a colon after the word "From". This is sometimes indicated as the "From_" address, where the underscore character is understood to stand for a space character in this usage.
It is not exactly clear to me which one is being referred to here. The original quote does not indicate a colon after the word "From:", but I'm not 100% certain as to whether or not the author was aware of this connotation.
Note that some MTAs will promote the envelope sender address into the header "From:" field (especially if no header "From:" field exists), and some MUAs display an address listed in the "Sender:" field in addition or in place of the "From:" field (if they are different).
Bounces are sent to the envelope sender address, which may or may not be recorded in the "Sender:" field, or elsewhere in the message. It's important to distinguish between the envelope sender address and the contents of the "From:" and "Sender:" fields, because the envelope sender address may be lost or irretrievably altered once the message is received.
You should never attempt to bounce a message to any address in any header field -- you should always bounce back to the actual envelope sender address. This obviously causes problems if the envelope sender address is lost or irretrievably altered.
-- Brad Knowles, brad.knowles@skynet.be
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info.
On 30 Jun 2004, at 17:16, Ian A B Eiloart wrote:
--On Wednesday, June 30, 2004 10:55 am -0400 David Relson relson@osagesoftware.com wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:44:17 +0200 Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
- Yogesh Subhash Talekar yogesh@unipune.ernet.in:
hi
two questions:
- When I post to my mailming list the From address comes like "mylist-bounces@mydomain.com". Why can't I have the from address as the address of the sender?
Because that's where bounces go, and you want automatic unsubscription to work, don't you?
And, as a subscriber, I don't want all the bounce messages coming to me! As Ralf says, let mailman see the bounces and deal with them.
No, that's wrong. The question was about the "From:" address. Bounces go to the "Sender:" address.
Almost but not quite. Bounces go to the SMTP envelope sender NOT, as Ian says, the address in the message From: header. MM normally puts the same value as the envelope sender into the message Sender: header but an MTA generating a bounce should only work off the envelope value and never off the message headers. In general you can have a different value in the Sender: header to the envelope From, which can ameliorate the behaviour of some versions of Outlook which upsets some users getting mail from lists; see:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp
The from address has to be the person who composed the message. The sender address is the agent that sent it to the recipient.
There is an option in the "General Options" page of the web management utility which hides the original sender of the message. "Hide the sender of a message, replacing it with the list address (Removes From, Sender and Reply-To fields)". It fixes a setting called "anonymous_list".
-- Ian Eiloart Servers Team Sussex University ITS
But suppose I really want to make sure that all recepients get the mail. Then how can I detect that mail delivery has failed for some users?
It will simply keep me in dark and I may never know that someone is not getting any announcement!
any advice??
--yogesh
- Yogesh Subhash Talekar yogesh@unipune.ernet.in:
hi
two questions:
- When I post to my mailming list the From address comes like "mylist-bounces@mydomain.com". Why can't I have the from address as the address of the sender?
Because that's where bounces go, and you want automatic unsubscription to work, don't you?
-- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt@charite.de Charite - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 IT-Zentrum Standort Campus Mitte AIM. ralfpostfix
--yogesh
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