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Hi,
I'm installing mailman, I created the first mailing list[1], it works fine. So, it's possible to subcribe to the list, that works, but it isn't possible to send mails to the mailing list. It's a probleme with sendmail, I'm reading the documentation of mailman[2], but the output of the command "grep smrsh /etc/mail/sendmail.cf" is empty (sendmail is installed). Do you have any ideas? And when I send a mail to the list, I see nothing in log... In conclusion, mailman nearly works, there is "just" a problem with sendmail.
[1] : http://lists.sce.snurf.info/listinfo/sce-project [2] : http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node32.html
Regards,
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Shams Fantar wrote:
Did you add the list aliases for the list to the /etc/aliases file and then run newaliases?
When you created the list, a set of aliases for it should have been provided as output from the newlist script or via the web interface. Those have to be set up properly so sendmail knows what to do with the addresses associated to the list.
Dragon
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Dragon wrote:
Did you add the list aliases for the list to the /etc/aliases file and then run newaliases?
Yes, I did. But when I run newaliases :
WARNING: local host name (;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached) is not qualified; see cf/README: WHO AM I? /etc/mail/aliases: 33 aliases, longest 56 bytes, 1450 bytes total
Therefore, I've looked for a solution, I've found few answers. but no solution works...
Okay.
Dragon
Thanks,
PS : I'm running debian lenny/sid.
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Shams Fantar wrote:
WARNING: local host name (;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached) is not qualified; see cf/README: WHO AM I?
This is a sendmail problem. You need to get your sendmail.cf fixed.
I don't think there's much we can do to help you with this -- I'd suggest making use of the resources provided by your platform vendor for finding and fixing this problem.
-- Brad Knowles <brad@shub-internet.org> LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>
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Shams Fantar sent the message below at 09:55 4/30/2008:
OK, I don't know this for certain, but that seems to me that sendmail is either not configured correctly or not running at all. Unfortunately, I am no expert on sendmail and I can't give any specific help on setting it up without digging into the documentation. But you can try a few things here to see what is going on.
Are you able to send and receive mail from this box at all?
What do you get after running the following (you will probably need to be root):
ps aux | grep sendmail
It should produce something like this (and possibly more entries):
root 31013 0.0 0.2 9284 1196 ? Ss Mar29 2:44 sendmail: accepting connections
You mentioned earlier you could not find your sendmail.cf file, try:
find / -name *.cf -print
Therefore, I've looked for a solution, I've found few answers. but no solution works...
I think you need to make certain that sendmail is set up correctly and can process mail before going forward with trying to troubleshoot mailman.
PS : I'm running debian lenny/sid.
It may be a good idea to check with debian support resources to help get this sorted out. It seems like every distribution does things a little bit different and they all seem to have their own ideas on what are the proper locations for things and the proper way to start daemons, etc.
Dragon
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Dragon wrote:
Yes, sendmail is running.
You mentioned earlier you could not find your sendmail.cf file, try:
find / -name *.cf -print
No, I didn't say that (because sendmail.cf exists), I just said that with "grep smrsh /etc/mail/sendmail.cf", I'm getting nothing with grep, so, "smrsh" isn't in this file.
I think you need to make certain that sendmail is set up correctly and can process mail before going forward with trying to troubleshoot mailman.
Yes, I think it's just a problem with sendmail (or with mailman).
Ok, if I don't manage to fixe the problem, I'll ask for helping on the debian mailing list.
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The esteemed Shams Fantar has said:
I'm going to jump in here as I run Mailman with sendmail on a Solaris system. I can't comment on pecuiliarities of a Linux precompiled distribution.
The Mailman installation manual goes through the steps of enabling a link to smrsh. http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/node32.html
Additionally, you'll need to enable the sendmail smrsh capability. You need to do this by adding a line in the main.mc file for sendmail and rerunning the M4 process to recreate the sendmail.cf file. The line to add is:
FEATURE(smrsh, /usr/lib/smrsh)dnl
This assumes that the smrsh executable is in /usr/lib.
If you are trying to run with a precompiled sendmail, you'll need to configure main.mc for a variety of things that generally aren't in default installations; the line above in "in addition to" selecting things like relay control, masquerading, access_db, virtusertable etc. etc.
Hank
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Hank van Cleef wrote:
Apparently, I have to put the "FEATURE..." in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc
Hank
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Shams Fantar wrote:
Hank van Cleef wrote:
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You do not want to do this. Enabling smrsh in sendmail is not going to solve any of your problem - if anything, it will only make things worse.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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Shams Fantar wrote:
What's in sendmail's logs for the message to the Mailman list?
Is Mailman running?
Are the messages getting to Mailman's qfiles/in/ queue?
See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.078.htp>.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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Mark Sapiro wrote: list, I
Nothing in syslog, mail.log and in /var/log/mailman about sending mails on the created list/the problem.
Is Mailman running?
Yes.
I tried the solutions of the page, but no solution works.
=> grep mailman /etc/aliases sce-project: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post sce-project" sce-project-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin sce-project" sce-project-bounces: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces sce-project" sce-project-confirm: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm sce-project" sce-project-join: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join sce-project" sce-project-leave: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave sce-project" sce-project-owner: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner sce-project" sce-project-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request sce-project" sce-project-subscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe sce-project" sce-project-unsubscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe sce-project"
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Shams Fantar wrote:
If there's really nothing in mail.log regarding a post you send to a mailing list, either sendmail is completely non-functioning or the post isn't even getting to this sendmail in the first place.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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Shams Fantar wrote:
Okay, so you acknowledge that this is a sendmail problem, therefore it seems to me that you should either be using the resources provided by your OS vendor to resolve this issue, or you should be using sendmail-related resources to resolve this issue. In either event, I don't think we can help you there.
But I am curious as to why you would be looking for smrsh in the sendmail.cf and why you would think that this would be related to the issues you're having.
-- Brad Knowles <brad@shub-internet.org> LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>
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Brad Knowles wrote:
I am pretty certain he is referring to this:
http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node32.html
But the error message he got when he executed newaliases leads me to believe there is something else that is wrong there. So yeah, I agree with you Brad that he would be better served with getting help on a sendmail related forum or one for his OS.
Dragon
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Dragon wrote:
Ok, I'm going to ask for help at sendmail.
Thank you for your help.
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Shams Fantar wrote:
Did you add the list aliases for the list to the /etc/aliases file and then run newaliases?
When you created the list, a set of aliases for it should have been provided as output from the newlist script or via the web interface. Those have to be set up properly so sendmail knows what to do with the addresses associated to the list.
Dragon
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Dragon wrote:
Did you add the list aliases for the list to the /etc/aliases file and then run newaliases?
Yes, I did. But when I run newaliases :
WARNING: local host name (;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached) is not qualified; see cf/README: WHO AM I? /etc/mail/aliases: 33 aliases, longest 56 bytes, 1450 bytes total
Therefore, I've looked for a solution, I've found few answers. but no solution works...
Okay.
Dragon
Thanks,
PS : I'm running debian lenny/sid.
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Shams Fantar wrote:
WARNING: local host name (;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached) is not qualified; see cf/README: WHO AM I?
This is a sendmail problem. You need to get your sendmail.cf fixed.
I don't think there's much we can do to help you with this -- I'd suggest making use of the resources provided by your platform vendor for finding and fixing this problem.
-- Brad Knowles <brad@shub-internet.org> LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>
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Shams Fantar sent the message below at 09:55 4/30/2008:
OK, I don't know this for certain, but that seems to me that sendmail is either not configured correctly or not running at all. Unfortunately, I am no expert on sendmail and I can't give any specific help on setting it up without digging into the documentation. But you can try a few things here to see what is going on.
Are you able to send and receive mail from this box at all?
What do you get after running the following (you will probably need to be root):
ps aux | grep sendmail
It should produce something like this (and possibly more entries):
root 31013 0.0 0.2 9284 1196 ? Ss Mar29 2:44 sendmail: accepting connections
You mentioned earlier you could not find your sendmail.cf file, try:
find / -name *.cf -print
Therefore, I've looked for a solution, I've found few answers. but no solution works...
I think you need to make certain that sendmail is set up correctly and can process mail before going forward with trying to troubleshoot mailman.
PS : I'm running debian lenny/sid.
It may be a good idea to check with debian support resources to help get this sorted out. It seems like every distribution does things a little bit different and they all seem to have their own ideas on what are the proper locations for things and the proper way to start daemons, etc.
Dragon
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Dragon wrote:
Yes, sendmail is running.
You mentioned earlier you could not find your sendmail.cf file, try:
find / -name *.cf -print
No, I didn't say that (because sendmail.cf exists), I just said that with "grep smrsh /etc/mail/sendmail.cf", I'm getting nothing with grep, so, "smrsh" isn't in this file.
I think you need to make certain that sendmail is set up correctly and can process mail before going forward with trying to troubleshoot mailman.
Yes, I think it's just a problem with sendmail (or with mailman).
Ok, if I don't manage to fixe the problem, I'll ask for helping on the debian mailing list.
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The esteemed Shams Fantar has said:
I'm going to jump in here as I run Mailman with sendmail on a Solaris system. I can't comment on pecuiliarities of a Linux precompiled distribution.
The Mailman installation manual goes through the steps of enabling a link to smrsh. http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/node32.html
Additionally, you'll need to enable the sendmail smrsh capability. You need to do this by adding a line in the main.mc file for sendmail and rerunning the M4 process to recreate the sendmail.cf file. The line to add is:
FEATURE(smrsh, /usr/lib/smrsh)dnl
This assumes that the smrsh executable is in /usr/lib.
If you are trying to run with a precompiled sendmail, you'll need to configure main.mc for a variety of things that generally aren't in default installations; the line above in "in addition to" selecting things like relay control, masquerading, access_db, virtusertable etc. etc.
Hank
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Hank van Cleef wrote:
Apparently, I have to put the "FEATURE..." in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc
Hank
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Shams Fantar wrote:
Hank van Cleef wrote:
[...]
You do not want to do this. Enabling smrsh in sendmail is not going to solve any of your problem - if anything, it will only make things worse.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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Shams Fantar wrote:
What's in sendmail's logs for the message to the Mailman list?
Is Mailman running?
Are the messages getting to Mailman's qfiles/in/ queue?
See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.078.htp>.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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Mark Sapiro wrote: list, I
Nothing in syslog, mail.log and in /var/log/mailman about sending mails on the created list/the problem.
Is Mailman running?
Yes.
I tried the solutions of the page, but no solution works.
=> grep mailman /etc/aliases sce-project: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post sce-project" sce-project-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin sce-project" sce-project-bounces: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces sce-project" sce-project-confirm: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm sce-project" sce-project-join: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join sce-project" sce-project-leave: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave sce-project" sce-project-owner: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner sce-project" sce-project-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request sce-project" sce-project-subscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe sce-project" sce-project-unsubscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe sce-project"
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Shams Fantar wrote:
If there's really nothing in mail.log regarding a post you send to a mailing list, either sendmail is completely non-functioning or the post isn't even getting to this sendmail in the first place.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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Shams Fantar wrote:
Okay, so you acknowledge that this is a sendmail problem, therefore it seems to me that you should either be using the resources provided by your OS vendor to resolve this issue, or you should be using sendmail-related resources to resolve this issue. In either event, I don't think we can help you there.
But I am curious as to why you would be looking for smrsh in the sendmail.cf and why you would think that this would be related to the issues you're having.
-- Brad Knowles <brad@shub-internet.org> LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>
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Brad Knowles wrote:
I am pretty certain he is referring to this:
http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node32.html
But the error message he got when he executed newaliases leads me to believe there is something else that is wrong there. So yeah, I agree with you Brad that he would be better served with getting help on a sendmail related forum or one for his OS.
Dragon
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Dragon wrote:
Ok, I'm going to ask for help at sendmail.
Thank you for your help.
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