On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 06:24:01PM +0200, Paul Boddie wrote:

On Wednesday 15. August 2018 17.53.21 Reimar Bauer wrote:

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after a long break in actively developing moin-2 I am thinking about refactoring it to moin-3 (py3) and getting it in a state that we could migrate a bunch of our wikis.

First of all, welcome back!

I've never been able to get into doing anything with Moin 2. It seems like there are so many dependencies, and I just don't buy into the Python-centric way of handling dependencies. Moreover, delegating dependency management to Python-only tools does little to help packaging for operating system distributions.

Oh, hmmm. :-/ That would be a problem for us in Debian maybe.

Apart from that, I think that the focus of many people has been to keep what they already have working. Unfortunately, bugs have gone unfixed upstream. I guess that Thomas isn't so interested in Moin any more, or is this a complete misinterpretation? Having noted that the Debian people use and improve Moin quite a bit, maybe they have something to say about this.

We've been fairly quiet lately, but see my other mail. Almost all the patches we've added are to make Moin work better for us in terms of managing users and spam. There are more intrusive changes I've been thinking about for ages [1] but I've never got around to (and maybe never will). [1] https://bugs.debian.org/705114 ...

Well, I don't know if you've been following the list, but there hasn't been too much traffic of late. I noted recently that for some of my sites, I don't need an active Moin instance since I'm just using Moin to deploy content. To avoid maintenance issues - log and cache files ballooning, worries about how secure things are - I've been writing tools to deal with Moin-formatted content plus accessories such as the Graphviz parser.

I've got a few scripts locally too. I'm particularly looking at adding configurable "this page needs checking/updating every N months, please check it" style alerts. We have a huge corpus of pages, and lots of the content is painfully out of date... :-/ -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com "...In the UNIX world, people tend to interpret `non-technical user' as meaning someone who's only ever written one device driver." -- Daniel Pead