On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Travis Oliphant <travis@continuum.io>wrote:
On May 5, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Ralf Gommers wrote:
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Wes McKinney <wesmckinn@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Charles R Harris <charlesr.harris@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Ralf Gommers <
ralf.gommers@googlemail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Pauli Virtanen <pav@iki.fi> wrote:
01.05.2012 21:34, Ralf Gommers kirjoitti: [clip]
At this point it's probably good to look again at the problems we
want
to solve: 1. responsive user interface (must absolutely have)
Now that it comes too late: with some luck, I've possibly hit on what was ailing the Tracs (max_diff_bytes configured too large). Let's see if things work better from now on...
That's amazing - not only does it not give errors anymore, it's also an order of magnitude faster.
So maybe we could just stick with trac. Performance was really the sticking point.
Chuck
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FWIW I'm pretty strongly in favor of GHI for NumPy/SciPy (I am going to get involved in NumPy dev eventually, promise). While warty in some of the places already mentioned, I have found it to be very low-friction and low-annoyance in my own dev process (nearing 1000 issues closed in the last year in pandas). But there are fewer cooks in the kitchen with pandas so perhaps this experience wouldn't be identical with NumPy. The biggest benefit I've seen is community involvement that you really wouldn't see if I were using a Trac or something else hosted elsewhere. Users are on GitHub and it for some reason gives people a feeling of engagement in the open source process that I don't see anywhere else.
Feels like it's time to make a decision on this.
I see no blocking objections against Github, so perhaps we should give it a go. The attachment issue for data files can be solved by relocating those to a server we still administer. Trac is currently annoying me also, because I need to change the milestone of ~50 tickets and have no good way of doing it. So nothing's perfect. Github's hosting service, possibly more user involvement and centralizing all our tools there may be enough to outweigh the limitations of GHI.
Proposal: move NumPy tickets to Github.
+1
The process does need planning. We don't need to rush, but it would be great to get it done by end of June. To Charles' list and Ralf's suggestions, I would add setting up a server that can relay pull requests to the mailing list.
Don't know if you saw this, but it looks like Pauli is pretty far along in
fixing this problem: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.numeric.general/49551/focus=49744 Ralf
NumFocus can setup that server and provide login permissions to those needing to administer it.