On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Ondřej Čertík <ondrej.certik@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn <d.s.seljebotn@astro.uio.no> wrote:
On 02/07/2013 12:16 AM, Matthew Brett wrote: [...]
Can you clarify the people you think will get stuck? I think I'm right in saying that anyone with a C extension should be able to build them against numpy, by installing the free (as-in-beer) MS tools? So do you just mean people needing a Fortran compiler? That's a small constituency, I think.
Off the top of my head there's SciPy and pymc...
Anyway, I'm butting in because I wish this discussion could separate between the user perspective and the developer perspective.
FWIW,
1) From a user's perspective, I don't understand this either. If you are already using a closed source, not-free-as-in-beer operating system, why would you not use (or buy!) a closed source, not-free-as-in-beer Fortran compiler?
Indeed. Though I really have no clue on the Windows use cases. Maybe most Windows users don't want to compile anything, just use numpy and scipy from Python?
2) BUT, the argument I've seen that I can at least understand is that the release manager should be able to do a release using only open source tools (even using Wine instead of Windows) and not rely on a limited number of licenses. And that the release manager must be able to perform all the official builds directly.
As the release manager, I really only have two requirements:
* I want to ssh in there from my Ubuntu * I want to automate the whole process
For Mac, linux and Wine I can do that. So I have just spend few hours browsing the net and it looks like that the combination of Windows PowerShell 2.0:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_PowerShell
and some SSH server, there are quite a few, one commercial but free for one user one connection (perfect for me!):
http://www.powershellinside.com/powershell/ssh/
So if I understand the pages correctly, I can login there from linux, and then I use the PowerShell commands to script anything. It looks like I can even use my Fabric fabfiles with powershell:
https://gist.github.com/diyan/2850866
I can also use git with PowerShell:
http://windows.github.com/ http://haacked.com/archive/2011/12/13/better-git-with-powershell.aspx
Ondrej, you may be interested in some hack I've done to use winrm from fabric: https://github.com/fabric/fabric/pull/872 It gives a new winrm_run function where you can put any batch command. While the code is a hack, it works pretty well in practice. This works from mac os x and linux, without the need for wine, or ssh on windows. David