
Looking at https://pypistats.org/packages/numpy , it appears that August 24 was the last day when numpy had more Python 2 downloads than Python 3 downloads (maybe ever?). -n -- Nathaniel J. Smith -- https://vorpus.org

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 1:19 AM, Hans Dembinski <hans.dembinski@gmail.com> wrote:
It turns out the original version of the statistics aggregation program crashed constantly and lost tons of data. Donald Stufft rewrote it (using my library trio :-)), and deployed it on July 26: https://github.com/pypa/linehaul/issues/30 So the old download stats are artifactually low, and from July 26 the stats are accurate. -n -- Nathaniel J. Smith -- https://vorpus.org

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 2:31 AM Nathaniel Smith <njs@pobox.com> wrote:
Thanks for the link. It would be nice to improve the Windows numbers, Linux is still very dominant. I suppose that might be an artifact of the systems used by developers as opposed to end users. It would be a different open source world if Microsoft had always released their compilers for free and kept them current with the evolving ISO specs. Chuck

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 6:33 PM, Charles R Harris <charlesr.harris@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, keep in mind also that it's counting installs, not users... people destroy and reinstall Linux systems a *lot* more often than they do Windows/macOS systems, what with clouds and containers and CI systems and all. On my personal laptop I install numpy maybe once per release, but on Travis I install it half a dozen times every day. -n -- Nathaniel J. Smith -- https://vorpus.org

but on Travis I install it half a dozen times every day.
Good point. I wonder if there's any way to take that into account when considering whether to drop versions. On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 at 15:14, Nathaniel Smith <njs@pobox.com> wrote:
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There are probably a LOT of Windows users getting numpy from conda as well. (I know my CI's and users do...) It'd be nice if there was some way to track real usage! -CHB On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 3:44 PM, Charles R Harris <charlesr.harris@gmail.com> wrote:
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In addition to this, at least half the Windows-using Python people in my social circle of switched to Windows Subsystem for Linux, which is quite good now. In include myself in this, and only use python from "Windows" when I have to deal with Access or MS-SQL Server databases (probably 10% of my workload, lately) -paul On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 12:18 PM Charles R Harris <charlesr.harris@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 1:19 AM, Hans Dembinski <hans.dembinski@gmail.com> wrote:
It turns out the original version of the statistics aggregation program crashed constantly and lost tons of data. Donald Stufft rewrote it (using my library trio :-)), and deployed it on July 26: https://github.com/pypa/linehaul/issues/30 So the old download stats are artifactually low, and from July 26 the stats are accurate. -n -- Nathaniel J. Smith -- https://vorpus.org

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 2:31 AM Nathaniel Smith <njs@pobox.com> wrote:
Thanks for the link. It would be nice to improve the Windows numbers, Linux is still very dominant. I suppose that might be an artifact of the systems used by developers as opposed to end users. It would be a different open source world if Microsoft had always released their compilers for free and kept them current with the evolving ISO specs. Chuck

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 6:33 PM, Charles R Harris <charlesr.harris@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, keep in mind also that it's counting installs, not users... people destroy and reinstall Linux systems a *lot* more often than they do Windows/macOS systems, what with clouds and containers and CI systems and all. On my personal laptop I install numpy maybe once per release, but on Travis I install it half a dozen times every day. -n -- Nathaniel J. Smith -- https://vorpus.org

but on Travis I install it half a dozen times every day.
Good point. I wonder if there's any way to take that into account when considering whether to drop versions. On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 at 15:14, Nathaniel Smith <njs@pobox.com> wrote:
-- _____________________________________ Dr. Andrew Nelson _____________________________________

There are probably a LOT of Windows users getting numpy from conda as well. (I know my CI's and users do...) It'd be nice if there was some way to track real usage! -CHB On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 3:44 PM, Charles R Harris <charlesr.harris@gmail.com> wrote:
-- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Oceanographer Emergency Response Division NOAA/NOS/OR&R (206) 526-6959 voice 7600 Sand Point Way NE (206) 526-6329 fax Seattle, WA 98115 (206) 526-6317 main reception Chris.Barker@noaa.gov

In addition to this, at least half the Windows-using Python people in my social circle of switched to Windows Subsystem for Linux, which is quite good now. In include myself in this, and only use python from "Windows" when I have to deal with Access or MS-SQL Server databases (probably 10% of my workload, lately) -paul On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 12:18 PM Charles R Harris <charlesr.harris@gmail.com> wrote:
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