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ANNOUNCE: EPD with Py2.5 version 4.0.30002 RC2 available for testing

Travis E. Oliphant

26 Nov 2008 26 Nov '08

11:35 p.m.

Hello, We've recently posted the beta1 build of EPD (the Enthought Python Distribution) with Python 2.5 version 4.1.30001 to the EPD website. You may download the beta from here: http://www.enthought.com/products/epdearlyaccess.php You can check out the release notes here: https://svn.enthought.com/epd/wiki/Python2.5.2/4.1.300/Beta1 Please help us test it out and provide feedback on the EPD Trac instance: https://svn.enthought.com/epd or via e-mail to epd-support@enthought.com. If everything goes well, we are planning a final release for December. About EPD --------- The Enthought Python Distribution (EPD) is a "kitchen-sink-included" distribution of the Python™ Programming Language, including over 60 additional tools and libraries. The EPD bundle includes NumPy, SciPy, IPython, 2D and 3D visualization, database adapters, GUI building libraries, and a lot of other tools right out of the box. http://www.enthought.com/products/epd.php It is currently available as a single-click installer for Windows XP (x86), Mac OS X (a universal binary for OS X 10.4 and above), and RedHat 3 and 4 (x86 and amd64). EPD is free for academic use. An annual subscription and installation support are available for individual commercial use. Enterprise subscriptions with support for particular deployment environments are also available for commercial purchase. Enthought Build Team

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Gael Varoquaux

27 Nov 27 Nov

1:02 a.m.

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On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:05:07PM -0600, Travis E. Oliphant wrote:

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We've recently posted the beta1 build of EPD (the Enthought Python Distribution) with Python 2.5 version 4.1.30001 to the EPD website. You may download the beta from here: http://www.enthought.com/products/epdearlyaccess.php

Congatulations for a quicker pace of releases. Gaël

Michael Abshoff

3:42 a.m.

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Travis E. Oliphant wrote:

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Hello,

<SNIP> Hi Travis,

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It is currently available as a single-click installer for Windows XP (x86), Mac OS X (a universal binary for OS X 10.4 and above), and RedHat 3 and 4 (x86 and amd64).

I am sure you mean RHEL 3 and 4? This "Redhat 3 and 4" always strikes me as vague :) <SNIP>

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Enthought Build Team

Cheers, Michael

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Darren Dale

1 Dec 1 Dec

3:30 a.m.

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I tried installing 4.0.300x on a machine running 64-bit windows vista home edition and ran into problems with PyQt and some related packages. So I uninstalled all the python-related software, EPD took over 30 minutes to uninstall, and tried to install EPD 4.1 beta. Near the end of the installation of 4.1, I got an error: "There is a problem with this Windows Installer package. A program run as part of the setup did not finish as expected. Contact your support personnel or package vendor." I exit the error dialog and then the installer reports: "EPD Py25 v4.1.30001_beta1 setup ended prematurely because of an error. Your system has not been modified. To install this program at a later time, please run the installation again." If I exit the installer and run it again, I get an option to change, repair or remove the current installation. Repair fails with the same error. Removal seemed to complete without incident. Next I tried installing the 64-bit 2.6 installer from python.org, and I got a message saying I needed to log in as an administrator to install for all users. My account is listed as an adminstrator account, so I don't understand what the problem is. I was able to install 2.6 just for my account, instead of for all users, but I was not able to install EPD 4.1 just for my account, it failed with the same error as it did when I installed for all users. I also tried installing EPD-4.1 with user account controls disabled, but I saw the same error. I'm not a very sophisticated windows user, and I have only had vista for about a week, but I have been able to install software unrelated to python without trouble and I have used python on windows XP in the past to create windows installers for a couple python packages. If this seems like a legitimate bug and there is something more I can do in the way of testing, please let me know. Darren

Darren Dale

4:44 a.m.

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One more datapoint, I get the same error when I run the EPD installer using msiexec from an administrator command prompt. On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Darren Dale wrote:

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I tried installing 4.0.300x on a machine running 64-bit windows vista home edition and ran into problems with PyQt and some related packages. So I uninstalled all the python-related software, EPD took over 30 minutes to uninstall, and tried to install EPD 4.1 beta.

Near the end of the installation of 4.1, I got an error:

"There is a problem with this Windows Installer package. A program run as part of the setup did not finish as expected. Contact your support personnel or package vendor."

I exit the error dialog and then the installer reports:

"EPD Py25 v4.1.30001_beta1 setup ended prematurely because of an error. Your system has not been modified. To install this program at a later time, please run the installation again."

If I exit the installer and run it again, I get an option to change, repair or remove the current installation. Repair fails with the same error. Removal seemed to complete without incident.

Next I tried installing the 64-bit 2.6 installer from python.org, and I got a message saying I needed to log in as an administrator to install for all users. My account is listed as an adminstrator account, so I don't understand what the problem is. I was able to install 2.6 just for my account, instead of for all users, but I was not able to install EPD 4.1 just for my account, it failed with the same error as it did when I installed for all users.

I also tried installing EPD-4.1 with user account controls disabled, but I saw the same error.

I'm not a very sophisticated windows user, and I have only had vista for about a week, but I have been able to install software unrelated to python without trouble and I have used python on windows XP in the past to create windows installers for a couple python packages. If this seems like a legitimate bug and there is something more I can do in the way of testing, please let me know.

Darren

David Cournapeau

9:14 a.m.

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On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:00 AM, Darren Dale wrote:

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I tried installing 4.0.300x on a machine running 64-bit windows vista home edition and ran into problems with PyQt and some related packages. So I uninstalled all the python-related software, EPD took over 30 minutes to uninstall, and tried to install EPD 4.1 beta.

My guess is that EPD is only 32 bits installer, so that you run it on WOW (Windows in Windows) on windows 64, which is kind of slow (but usable for most tasks).

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Next I tried installing the 64-bit 2.6 installer from python.org, and I got a message saying I needed to log in as an administrator to install for all users. My account is listed as an adminstrator account, so I don't understand what the problem is. I was able to install 2.6 just for my account, instead of for all users, but I was not able to install EPD 4.1 just for my account, it failed with the same error as it did when I installed for all users.

You should report those issues on python bug tracker, I think. More generatlly, correct windows installers are a tricky business, specially when you start using dll. In particular, many things are under-documented (dll manifest and co); I know from the python-dev ML that python developers had a hard time solving those issues. Maybe not everything was sorted out, although I am a bit surprised about straight python 2.6 installer. David

Gael Varoquaux

1:42 p.m.

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On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 12:44:10PM +0900, David Cournapeau wrote:

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On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:00 AM, Darren Dale wrote:

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I tried installing 4.0.300x on a machine running 64-bit windows vista home edition and ran into problems with PyQt and some related packages. So I uninstalled all the python-related software, EPD took over 30 minutes to uninstall, and tried to install EPD 4.1 beta.

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My guess is that EPD is only 32 bits installer, so that you run it on WOW (Windows in Windows) on windows 64, which is kind of slow (but usable for most tasks).

On top of that, Vista is not supported with EPD. I had a chat with the EPD guys about that, and they say it does work with Vista... most of the time. They don't really understand the failures, and haven't had time to investigate much, because so far professionals and labs are simply avoiding Vista. Hopefully someone from the EPD team will give a more accurate answer soon. Gaël

Darren Dale

9 p.m.

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On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:12 AM, Gael Varoquaux < gael.varoquaux@normalesup.org> wrote:

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On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 12:44:10PM +0900, David Cournapeau wrote:

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On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:00 AM, Darren Dale wrote:

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I tried installing 4.0.300x on a machine running 64-bit windows vista home edition and ran into problems with PyQt and some related packages. So I uninstalled all the python-related software, EPD took over 30 minutes to uninstall, and tried to install EPD 4.1 beta.

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My guess is that EPD is only 32 bits installer, so that you run it on WOW (Windows in Windows) on windows 64, which is kind of slow (but usable for most tasks).

On top of that, Vista is not supported with EPD. I had a chat with the EPD guys about that, and they say it does work with Vista... most of the time. They don't really understand the failures, and haven't had time to investigate much, because so far professionals and labs are simply avoiding Vista. Hopefully someone from the EPD team will give a more accurate answer soon.

Thanks Gael and David. I would avoid windows altogether if I could. When I bought a new laptop I had the option to pay extra to downgrade to XP pro, I should have done some more research before I settled for Vista. In the meantime I'll borrow an XP machine when I need to build python package installers for windows. Hopefully a solution can be found at some point for python and Vista. Losing compatibility on such a major platform will become increasingly problematic.

Darren Dale

6 Dec 6 Dec

10:47 a.m.

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On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Darren Dale wrote:

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On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:12 AM, Gael Varoquaux < gael.varoquaux@normalesup.org> wrote:

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On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 12:44:10PM +0900, David Cournapeau wrote:

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On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:00 AM, Darren Dale wrote:

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I tried installing 4.0.300x on a machine running 64-bit windows vista home edition and ran into problems with PyQt and some related packages. So I uninstalled all the python-related software, EPD took over 30 minutes to uninstall, and tried to install EPD 4.1 beta.

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My guess is that EPD is only 32 bits installer, so that you run it on WOW (Windows in Windows) on windows 64, which is kind of slow (but usable for most tasks).

On top of that, Vista is not supported with EPD. I had a chat with the EPD guys about that, and they say it does work with Vista... most of the time. They don't really understand the failures, and haven't had time to investigate much, because so far professionals and labs are simply avoiding Vista. Hopefully someone from the EPD team will give a more accurate answer soon.

Thanks Gael and David. I would avoid windows altogether if I could. When I bought a new laptop I had the option to pay extra to downgrade to XP pro, I should have done some more research before I settled for Vista. In the meantime I'll borrow an XP machine when I need to build python package installers for windows.

Hopefully a solution can be found at some point for python and Vista. Losing compatibility on such a major platform will become increasingly problematic.

I just wanted to follow up, it looks like the Vista installation issues have been ironed out with the release of python-2.6.1. I was able to install 32-bit python-2.6.1 from the msi file distributed at python.org in a straight-forward manner, no need to mess around with user account controls or other such nonsense. I even have setuptools working with python 2.6, I built and installed a setuptools msi without much trouble (distutils just doesnt like setuptools version numbering). One pleasant surprise: python-2.6 is built with visual C++ 2008, which has a free express edition available so building python extension modules might be a little more convenient than it was in the past. Darren

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