On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Robert Kern wrote:

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 17:17, Travis Oliphant wrote:

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Hey all,

What is the thought about having two separate NumPy lists (one for

development discussions and one for user discussions)?

We've resisted it for years. I don't think the split has done scipy much good. But that may just be my perspective because I'm subscribed to both and filter them both to the same folder.

I do the same as Robert. I don't see much value in creating separate lists.

I think for me, the trouble is I don't have time to read all the messages, but I want to see developer-centric discussions. Sometimes, I can tell that from the subject (but I miss it). I agree that traffic is probably not too heavy at this point (but it does create some difficulty in keeping up). I know we have resisted it for years. I appreciate the comments. -Travis On Jan 27, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Charles R Harris wrote:

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Robert Kern wrote: On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 17:17, Travis Oliphant wrote:

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Hey all,

What is the thought about having two separate NumPy lists (one for development discussions and one for user discussions)?

We've resisted it for years. I don't think the split has done scipy much good. But that may just be my perspective because I'm subscribed to both and filter them both to the same folder.

Me too. I don't think there is so much traffic that a distinction needs to be made.

Chuck

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On 1/27/11 3:35 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote:

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What is the thought about having two separate NumPy lists (one for development discussions and one for user discussions)?

Speaking as someone who hasn't contributed code to numpy itself, I still really like to follow the development discussion, so I'll subscribe to both lists anyway, and filter them to the same place in my email. So it makes little difference to me. -Chris -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Oceanographer Emergency Response Division NOAA/NOS/OR&R (206) 526-6959 voice 7600 Sand Point Way NE (206) 526-6329 fax Seattle, WA 98115 (206) 526-6317 main reception Chris.Barker@noaa.gov

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Benjamin Root wrote:

On Thursday, January 27, 2011, Christopher Barker wrote:

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On 1/27/11 3:35 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote:

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What is the thought about having two separate NumPy lists (one for development discussions and one for user discussions)?

Speaking as someone who hasn't contributed code to numpy itself, I still really like to follow the development discussion, so I'll subscribe to both lists anyway, and filter them to the same place in my email. So it makes little difference to me.

-Chris

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Personally, I like separating the two lists and I think it has served matplotlib well.  In gmail, I can tag them separately and with different colors.  It makes it very easy to spot which emails I feel like handling at the moment.

But, as I have been told, I am weird...

Ben Root

You bring up a good point, for those people that only use numpy or scipy then it makes sense to have separate lists. I have no problem with the lists as they are now. I also tag them differently so I tend to focus first on numpy then scipy-dev and finally scipy-user. For the most part people do post to the correct list so usually there is no confusion. Usually scipy-user tends to be very different from the other two but I do not see many major numpy threads that would really be the same as scipy-user. Also I think scipy-user has it's own vibe as well as scipy-dev being different than numpy list. Bruce

On 28/01/2011 1:07 p.m., Sturla Molden wrote:

Den 28.01.2011 00:23, skrev Robert Kern:

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We've resisted it for years. I don't think the split has done scipy much good. The scope of NumPy is narrower development-wise and wider user-wise. While SciPy does not benefit, as use and development are still quite entangled, this is not be the case for NumPy.

Perhaps we could split the NumPy list and merge the SciPy lists? As a user of NumPy and SciPy (and there are probably a lot of people who use both) why not have one developer list for both NumPy and SciPy and one user list for both NumPy and SciPy? It might not work from a developer point of view but I think it does from a user point of view - mind you I just put everything of interest from both mailing lists into one folder.

Brennan