I have started a survey on sourceforge which asks the question, should lapack_lite and the modules that depend upon it be moved to the optional Packages section. Pros: this would move these modules out of a privleged position into equality with other "application" packages. Their presence in the core is unnecessary. The compilation problems, as yet unsolved, with lapack_lite vs. alternate implementations, break the installation of the core even for people who are not using the facilities. Cons: It would require extra effort to install the Numerical distribution from source and get back to the current status quo. Some people would be confused at the changes. Note: If we did it "right", and made these things into packages instead of modules that install into Numeric, changes to scripts would be required, but that is not being proposed here. My vision of this change is that they would still install directly into Numeric, and would be included in all "prebuilt" distributions.