Mailman 3 November 2015 - PSF-Community

Sponsored tickets to PyCaribbean - February 20 - 21, 2016 Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic
by Betsy Waliszewski 30 Nov '15

30 Nov '15

Hi all, The PSF has access to 4 free tickets to PyCaribbean. Due to the preparations needed to plan a trip to the Caribbean, they thought it would be a good idea to give them to the community early. The free tickets can be redeemed by going to the url https://www.eventbrite.com/e/pycaribbean-tickets-19120486891?discount=THEPSF or writing down "THEPSF" as the coupon name. This will be on a "first-come, first-served" basis, so they will go to the *first 4 people to claim the tickets.* Cheers, Betsy -- Betsy Waliszewski Python Software Foundation Event Coordinator / Administrator @betswaliszewski

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Looking for alternatives to meetup.com
by M.-A. Lemburg 23 Nov '15

23 Nov '15

Hello PSF Community, as many of you know, meeptup.com is pretty much the standard when it comes to organizing user group meetings - at least in the US, the UK and probably also some other countries. Now, meetup.com is also a rather expensive service to use and with the PSF funding the fees, I'd like to investigate, whether encouraging use of alternative services wouldn't result in a better use of the PSFs grant funds. These are some services I've found: * http://www.eventbrite.com/ (free for free events) * https://www.farornear.com/ (free) * http://attending.io/ (free) * https://www.xing.com/de/events (free for free events, much like eventbrite, used often in Germany) For BarCamps: * https://www.barcamptools.eu/ (again, mostly in Germany) Some questions: * Do you know other such services ? * What's your experience with these ? * If you're running a group on meetup.com, would you be willing to move to a different platform ? I think it would be good to collect this information on a python.org wiki page to better guide new user groups to meetup.com alternatives. Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg Director Python Software Foundation http://www.python.org/psf/ http://www.malemburg.com/

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Meetup.com & collecting funds through PSF
by maneesha sane 22 Nov '15

22 Nov '15

Spurring from the other discussion about the advatages/disadvantages of using meetup - I have another question. The Philadelphia Python Users Group uses meetup for its events (http://www.meetup.com/phillypug/). We also have fiscal sponsorship through PSF so we can collect fees/donations ( https://psfmember.org/civicrm/contribute/transact?reset=1&id=11). Sometimes we have events with suggested donations, registration fees, etc. I'd like to have the page to collect funds be directly linked to the meetup registration page. So if someone registers on meetup, they pay, and it shows up as paid on meetup. Has anyone set up any thing like this? How did it work? Maneesha Sane PhillyPUG On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 7:15 AM, RottinRob . <rottinrob(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, I could agree I'm probably missing the point on the MeetUp aspect as > I never been accused of being social! However, I do have full appreciation > of the amount of effort, work, and code that goes into what I'm suggesting. > Grossly simplified...absolutly! > On Nov 22, 2015 2:11 AM, "Alan Vezina" <alan(a)jydo.com> wrote: > >> You are woefully underestimating the amount of work it would take to >> create a site like meetup. You are also missing the point: Meetup >> recommends people who are part of related, but different meetups to join >> our meetup. This drives a good deal of people who weren't looking for our >> meetup to find it, show up, and be contributing members. There is a HUGE >> amount of value in the large user base that Meetup.com has. >> >> On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 11:21 PM, RottinRob . <rottinrob(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Please correct me if I'm wrong, as Python is NOT my expertise, but is >>> it not possible to throw up a virtual enironment, add some frills (dev >>> tools, added bonus tools/software dependant on personal interest), base >>> Django Server, and other support technologies. Mix in command interface via >>> some console term or possibly GUI to some extent. >>> Mind you, I'm aware that takes work and man hours...but it could be >>> Python Based and Python Technology Driven, and can grow and be molded to >>> need, desire, and growth of language. >>> Should be fairly cheap in resources to implement, or at least reasonable. >>> On Nov 22, 2015 1:04 AM, "Alan Vezina" <alan(a)jydo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The problem is people are finding our meetup and other Python meetups >>>> because they're being recommended them by meetup.com. For example, a >>>> large set of people who find our meetup are recommended our meetup because >>>> they're part of the Seattle JS meetup. I also noticed a change in new >>>> members when we briefly stopped using meetup for registrations: >>>> >>>> - August 2014 to March 2015 we used Meetup.com, consistently got >>>> emails saying 10-15 new members joined >>>> - Stopped using meetup for April to November, consistently received >>>> emails saying 2-5 new members joined >>>> - Went back to using Meetup in November, I am now consistently >>>> getting emails saying 10-15 new members joined >>>> >>>> Not using meetup, even though it has worse tools for managing events >>>> really makes an impact on new members. Having a Python hosted meetup page >>>> will cater to only people who really care about Python. The nice thing >>>> about meetup is it recommends our meetup to people who maybe wouldn't >>>> otherwise be looking for it, and that has brought us many great members. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 10:13 PM, RottinRob . <rottinrob(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just a thought but what about a. Django based alternative that would >>>>> leverage the power of Python from the core. There should be well enough >>>>> creativity, talent, and knowledge collectively to really make something >>>>> truly incredible for Python specifically! >>>>> On Nov 21, 2015 4:52 PM, "Don Sheu" <don(a)sheu.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Would be great to have a tool that incorporated the much better >>>>>> utilities and mobile apps of Eventbrite with the discovery and social graph >>>>>> effectiveness of Meetup. >>>>>> >>>>>> Revenue could be derived from offering a voluntary contribution >>>>>> campaign drive like NPR and the like. >>>>>> >>>>>> That'd be a great startup to feature at PyCon Startup Row in May when >>>>>> we convene in Portland. >>>>>> ᐧ >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Douglas Napoleone < >>>>>> doug.napoleone(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On the 'kids these days' part, my Son's after school robotics >>>>>>> program (he is 11) uses snapchat (set up by the kids) for social >>>>>>> communication, Slack for team communication/collaboration, Facebook for >>>>>>> communicating with parents, and ole meetup.com for managing the >>>>>>> team meetups, regional events, and competitions. The regionals are managed >>>>>>> via robotevents.com (not under club control.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There has been repeated discussion on getting rid of at least one of >>>>>>> these, and meetup.com in particular as that one has real cost >>>>>>> behind it, has overlap with robotevents.com, and is the biggest >>>>>>> pain to administrate. Even for a semi-private group, this proved to be >>>>>>> difficult. Two years ago they removed the group, and signup dropped to >>>>>>> almost nothing (12 new signups on avg per year down to 3 for that year). >>>>>>> For a middle school club. Google is plugged into meetup.com much >>>>>>> better than it is for facebook, and not at all for slack, and the school >>>>>>> websites are garbage. Most parents and kids were finding out about the >>>>>>> program through google, which was finding out about it from >>>>>>> meetup.com. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have signed on to help out with some of the tech stuff to automate >>>>>>> things. Going to 5 different interfaces (slack, school website, facebook, >>>>>>> meetup.com, mailchimp) just to update a schedule is madness. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I really wish there was better competition int his market. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Doug >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:33 AM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal(a)python.org> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you for all your feedback. I've collected the results so far >>>>>>>> below: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Meetup has great discovery story, it brings in more people >>>>>>>> to the meetings and supports growth better than other >>>>>>>> services - this is perceived as the main benefit of >>>>>>>> meetup over other services. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Some groups only use meetup for announcements and other >>>>>>>> services for the organization itself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> While Meetup does have a big following in at least US, >>>>>>>> UK, Canada, Belgium, it's not that popular in other countries. >>>>>>>> Examples: Czech Republic, Germany (though it's getting >>>>>>>> stronger). This is probably also a reason why Meetup >>>>>>>> is cheaper in those countries than others (e.g. in Germany >>>>>>>> the unlimited plan costs USD 4.99 per month). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Meetup is not willing to give us special rates or >>>>>>>> simplified setups (other than their standard setups). >>>>>>>> Even though there are plenty Python groups, the total >>>>>>>> number is not large enough to get them interested. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We could save some money by using "master" accounts, >>>>>>>> since each Meetup account can host up to three meetings. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Eventbrite is good for RSVPs and check-ins, it also looks >>>>>>>> more professional than Meetup, but doesn't have such a good >>>>>>>> discovery story as Meetup. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Since Eventbrite is very much a Python company, we might >>>>>>>> be able to talk them into a special deal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Other services mentioned/found: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * https://ti.to/ (free for free events, used by PyCon UK) >>>>>>>> * https://nvite.com/ (free for free events) >>>>>>>> * use Google rich snippets (structured meta data) to >>>>>>>> have Google find events >>>>>>>> * use the Python events calendar together with the map >>>>>>>> mashup: https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEventsCalendar >>>>>>>> + http://lmorillas.github.io/python_events/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I also found an interesting thread on a Meetup forum: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.discussmeetup.com/forum/general-questions-how-tos-tips-tricks/i-… >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and especially liked this story from the thread: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> """ >>>>>>>> I walk into the family room, and my teenager is on the lap top. I >>>>>>>> see the gmail chat window with >>>>>>>> 30 ‘friends’ at the left hand margin. I ask “Have you ever been >>>>>>>> invited to a Google+ event?” “No” >>>>>>>> “Have you ever been invited to a Facebook event?” “Yes, once the >>>>>>>> principal gave out our wardrobe >>>>>>>> instructions for our homecoming game.” “Do you use Facebook >>>>>>>> much?” “Hardly, ugly site, isn’t that >>>>>>>> for old people?” I prefer SnapChat and Instagram” “Argggggg. Just >>>>>>>> pics!” “Have you ever heard of >>>>>>>> Meetup” “Not really Dad, is that the stuff you do on Tuesday >>>>>>>> nights?” >>>>>>>> """ >>>>>>>> (taken from >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.discussmeetup.com/forum/general-questions-how-tos-tips-tricks/i-… >>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Given such experience, it may well be that we "older" people >>>>>>>> only perceive Meetup as being the holy grail when it comes >>>>>>>> to organizing user group events, while the younger folks >>>>>>>> don't even get to see these events, unless they are also available >>>>>>>> on FB, G+, Instagram, etc. Perhaps something to consider. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I guess in the short term, we're better off encouraging sharing >>>>>>>> Meetup accounts to lower costs and continue to look for >>>>>>>> alternatives. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For a meeting I'm running with Charlie Clark in Düsseldorf >>>>>>>> (Python Meeting Düsseldorf), we've so far tried to stay away >>>>>>>> from Meetup and invested a lot of time into all the other >>>>>>>> channels you have to serve. For us, the marketing aspect >>>>>>>> would be the only reason to try it, since the organization >>>>>>>> is working just fine using plain old email. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Marc-Andre Lemburg >>>>>>>> Director >>>>>>>> Python Software Foundation >>>>>>>> http://www.python.org/psf/ >>>>>>>> http://www.malemburg.com/ >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> PSF-Community mailing list >>>>>>>> PSF-Community(a)python.org >>>>>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> PSF-Community mailing list >>>>>>> PSF-Community(a)python.org >>>>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-community >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Don Sheu >>>>>> 312.880.9389 >>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>> >>>>>> RSVP for my Python user group, meeting 12/9 at Redfin >>>>>> *http://www.meetup.com/PSPPython/ >>>>>> <http://www.meetup.com/PSPPython/events/226728440/>* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*: *The information contained in this message >>>>>> may be protected trade secrets or protected by applicable intellectual >>>>>> property laws of the United States and International agreements. 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PSF Board Meeting Minutes - 2015-10-28
by Diana Clarke 19 Nov '15

19 Nov '15

Hi folks: The PSF board meeting minutes from October 28th, 2015 are now available online: https://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/2015-10-28/ The following grants (https://www.python.org/psf/grants/) were approved since the last meeting, totalling $13,315 USD. - Afro-Django Initiative Amount: $2,500 USD - SciPy India http://scipy.in/2015 Mumbai, India December 14-16, 2015 Amount: $2,000 USD - PyCaribbean http://pycaribbean.com/ Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic February 20-21, 2016 Amount: $3,000 USD - Django Girls Kampala https://djangogirls.org/kampala/ Kampala, Uganda November 21, 2015 Amount: $415 USD - Django Girls Taipei https://djangogirls.org/taipei/ Taipei, Taiwan December 12, 2015 Amount: $900 USD - Django Girls Bratislava Bratislava, Slovakia March 13, 2016 Amount: $800 USD - PythonBrasil 11 http://pythonbrasil.github.io/pythonbrasil11-site/ November 7-11, 2015 Amount: $2,800 USD - Django Girls Taipei https://djangogirls.org/taipei/ Taipei, Taiwan December 12, 2015 Amount: $900 USD For more updates from the PSF, please visit our blog and follow us on Twitter. https://twitter.com/ThePSF https://pyfound.blogspot.com/ Here are a few of the more recent blog posts from the PSF: http://pycon.blogspot.ca/2015/11/tutorial-proposals-are-due-two-weeks.html http://pyfound.blogspot.ca/2015/11/pycon-japan-2015-success.html http://pyfound.blogspot.ca/2015/11/first-ever-pycaribbean-coming-this.html http://pyfound.blogspot.ca/2015/11/register-now-for-pycon-2016.html http://pyfound.blogspot.ca/2015/10/django-girls-seoul-great-success.html Cheers, --diana

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Research on teaching Python vs. other languages?
by Ned Batchelder 11 Nov '15

11 Nov '15

A friend at a CS department is advocating to switch to Python as the teaching language rather than Java. Some of his peers would like some evidence (research?) that Python is better-suited as a first language. Anyone have links to such a thing? --Ned.

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Re: [PSF-Community] Sponsored Tickets to PyConES 2015
by Javier Casas 11 Nov '15

11 Nov '15

Hi Betsy, I was planning to attend PyConES, but all tickets were sold out. I would love to have 1 conference ticket, I will even pay for it :-) Let me know if you can provide me one. Thanks in advance, Javier

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Jobs - The PSF - Infrastructure Manager
by Diana Clarke 06 Nov '15

06 Nov '15

Hi folks: The Python Software Foundation is hiring a part-time Infrastructure Manager. More information about this position can be found here: https://www.python.org/jobs/767/ Resumes will be accepted until mid-November. Thanks, --diana

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PSF Board Meeting Minutes - 2015-10-12
by Diana Clarke 02 Nov '15

02 Nov '15

Hi folks: The PSF board meeting minutes from October 12th, 2015 are now available online: https://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/2015-10-12/ The following grants (https://www.python.org/psf/grants/) were approved since the last meeting, totalling $9,853 USD. - Santa Cruz Python Meetup Grant http://www.meetup.com/Santa-Cruz-Python-Meetup/ Santa Cruz, USA Amount: $300 USD - PyDX http://pydx.org/ Portland, USA October 10-11, 2015 Amount: $1200 USD - PyHawaii Mini-Conference 2015 http://www.pyhawaii.com/ Hawaii, USA December, 2015 Amount: $650 USD - PyCon Argentina http://ar.pycon.org/ Mendoza, Argentina November 12-14, 2015 Amount: $3,500 USD - Wroclove Code Carrots Workshop http://geekgirlscarrots.org/3775/wroclove-code-carrots-3 Wrocław, Poland October 17-18, 2015 Amount: $600 USD - Soweto Hack Community Project Soweto, South Africa Amount: $603 USD - Tassajara Hills Elementary School Education Project https://thes-srvusd-ca.schoolloop.com/ Danville, USA Amount: $300 USD - PyCon SK 2016 https://pycon.sk/en/ Bratislava, Slovakia March 11-13, 2016 Amount: $1,500 USD - PyCode Carrots Workshop http://geekgirlscarrots.org/3720/pycode-carrots-workshop Warsaw Poland November 20-22, 2015 Amount: $900 USD - Taiwan Python User Group Grant http://www.meetup.com/Kaohsiung-Python-Meetup/ Kaohsiung, Taiwan Amount: $300 USD For more updates from the PSF, please visit our blog and follow us on Twitter. https://twitter.com/ThePSF https://pyfound.blogspot.com/ Cheers, --diana

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