Members Needed for PSF Sponsor WG
Hi everyone, This is in relation to the recent bylaws change[1]. Betsy and I are starting the working group for PSF Sponsors. The initial goal of this WG will be to review the PSF sponsorship applications that come in. The review process will include discussion via the mailing list and the voting process will also take place on the mailing list. Betsy will be the chair of the WG and we are in need of a co-chair and a few more voting members. If anyone is interested in participating in this working group, please send a brief intro about yourself to sponsors-wg@python.org. Here is the draft wiki page and charter: https://wiki.python.org/psf/SponsorWG. This has not yet been approved by the board, but we need enough voting members first to bring this to the board. Please note: today Betsy and I are flying out to Portland to PyCon so we will not be able to respond immediately. *[1] the board has just approved an amendment of the PSF bylaws to* *remove the sponsor membership category. From now on, we willjust have sponsors and no longer need to vote them in, hopefullymaking it much easier to sign up new sponsors. The next step iscreating a sponsors WG to take over sponsor management.Here's the official resolution:- RESOLVED, that the Python Software Foundation amend the PSF bylaws to remove the Sponsor Membership category. All changes made by the Bylaws WG are listed here:https://bitbucket.org/malemburg/psf-bylaws/diff/bylaws.md?diff1=ba846896778b&diff2=fa6ce90a3f1376b2708bf76d87c70813f96e010a&at=default <https://bitbucket.org/malemburg/psf-bylaws/diff/bylaws.md?diff1=ba846896778b&diff2=fa6ce90a3f1376b2708bf76d87c70813f96e010a&at=default>. Approved 11-0-0 via email vote 25 May 2016and these are the updated bylaws:https://www.python.org/psf/bylaws/?20160525 <https://www.python.org/psf/bylaws/?20160525>* Best regards, Ewa Director of Operations Python Software Foundation Cell: 415-319-5237
Hello everybody, I apologize in advance for this email but I seek some clarifications. I am receiving some emails from people asking why Simon Cross and I are not elected and I am not sure what to answer. I have to admin I have not followed the rules close enough but I do remember some emails stating that No and Abstain should count the same and only the positive Yes vote are important. Below are the results from the web page sorted based on the number of Yes votes (second column) Can you please point me to a description of the rules about how the votes are counted? Thank you in advance and sorry for the noise. I am sure there is a good explanation, I just do not know what it is. Massimo Name,Yes,No,Abstain Diana Clarke, 95, 5, 21 Van Lindberg, 90, 17, 14 Naomi Ceder, 85, 10, 26 Carol Willing, 83, 4, 34 Carrie Anne Philbin, 73, 7, 41 Kushal Das, 63, 11, 47 Jackie Kazil, 60, 14, 47 Younggun Kim, 55, 6, 60 Lorena Mesa, 46, 10, 65 Simon Cross, 41, 11, 69 Massimo Di Pierro, 41, 23, 57 Monty Taylor, 40, 11, 70 Annapoornima Koppad, 39, 10, 72 Trey Hunner, 36, 12, 73 Don Sheu, 35, 9, 77 Ed Leafe, 32, 16, 73 Raphael Pierzina, 31, 9, 81 James Powell, 31, 10, 80 Philip James, 18, 14, 89 Chris Clifton, 11, 17, 93 Raghav Hanumantharau, 10, 15, 96
P.S. The page with the results is public and it is here: https://vote.python.org/init/default/results/46 The voted ballots are also public and posted here: https://vote.python.org/init/default/ballots/46 The links should be in your ballot receipt. If you have voted, you know which one is your ballot from the code but keep that to yourself: they are anonymous. On Jun 1, 2016, at 12:10 AM, Massimo DiPierro <massimo.dipierro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everybody,
I apologize in advance for this email but I seek some clarifications. I am receiving some emails from people asking why Simon Cross and I are not elected and I am not sure what to answer. I have to admin I have not followed the rules close enough but I do remember some emails stating that No and Abstain should count the same and only the positive Yes vote are important.
Below are the results from the web page sorted based on the number of Yes votes (second column)
Can you please point me to a description of the rules about how the votes are counted? Thank you in advance and sorry for the noise. I am sure there is a good explanation, I just do not know what it is.
Massimo
Name,Yes,No,Abstain Diana Clarke, 95, 5, 21 Van Lindberg, 90, 17, 14 Naomi Ceder, 85, 10, 26 Carol Willing, 83, 4, 34 Carrie Anne Philbin, 73, 7, 41 Kushal Das, 63, 11, 47 Jackie Kazil, 60, 14, 47 Younggun Kim, 55, 6, 60 Lorena Mesa, 46, 10, 65 Simon Cross, 41, 11, 69 Massimo Di Pierro, 41, 23, 57 Monty Taylor, 40, 11, 70 Annapoornima Koppad, 39, 10, 72 Trey Hunner, 36, 12, 73 Don Sheu, 35, 9, 77 Ed Leafe, 32, 16, 73 Raphael Pierzina, 31, 9, 81 James Powell, 31, 10, 80 Philip James, 18, 14, 89 Chris Clifton, 11, 17, 93 Raghav Hanumantharau, 10, 15, 96
Hi Massimo, You are not seeing the results from the full election. There was more than one ballot because the election administrator didn't want every ballot to have the same ordering of candidates. The final results that were posted are the sum of all votes across the multiple ballots. Thanks, Van _________________________________ Van Lindberg van.lindberg@gmail.com m: 214.364.7985 On May 31, 2016 11:09 PM, "Massimo DiPierro" <massimo.dipierro@gmail.com> wrote:
P.S. The page with the results is public and it is here: https://vote.python.org/init/default/results/46 The voted ballots are also public and posted here: https://vote.python.org/init/default/ballots/46 The links should be in your ballot receipt. If you have voted, you know which one is your ballot from the code but keep that to yourself: they are anonymous.
On Jun 1, 2016, at 12:10 AM, Massimo DiPierro <massimo.dipierro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everybody,
I apologize in advance for this email but I seek some clarifications. I am receiving some emails from people asking why Simon Cross and I are not elected and I am not sure what to answer. I have to admin I have not followed the rules close enough but I do remember some emails stating that No and Abstain should count the same and only the positive Yes vote are important.
Below are the results from the web page sorted based on the number of Yes votes (second column)
Can you please point me to a description of the rules about how the votes are counted? Thank you in advance and sorry for the noise. I am sure there is a good explanation, I just do not know what it is.
Massimo
Name,Yes,No,Abstain Diana Clarke, 95, 5, 21 Van Lindberg, 90, 17, 14 Naomi Ceder, 85, 10, 26 Carol Willing, 83, 4, 34 Carrie Anne Philbin, 73, 7, 41 Kushal Das, 63, 11, 47 Jackie Kazil, 60, 14, 47 Younggun Kim, 55, 6, 60 Lorena Mesa, 46, 10, 65 Simon Cross, 41, 11, 69 Massimo Di Pierro, 41, 23, 57 Monty Taylor, 40, 11, 70 Annapoornima Koppad, 39, 10, 72 Trey Hunner, 36, 12, 73 Don Sheu, 35, 9, 77 Ed Leafe, 32, 16, 73 Raphael Pierzina, 31, 9, 81 James Powell, 31, 10, 80 Philip James, 18, 14, 89 Chris Clifton, 11, 17, 93 Raghav Hanumantharau, 10, 15, 96
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Can the board or election administrator please publish the cumulative results across all ballots, and links to all validation pages in e-vote?! On May 31, 2016 11:14 PM, "VanL" <van.lindberg@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Massimo,
You are not seeing the results from the full election. There was more than one ballot because the election administrator didn't want every ballot to have the same ordering of candidates. The final results that were posted are the sum of all votes across the multiple ballots.
Thanks, Van
_________________________________ Van Lindberg van.lindberg@gmail.com m: 214.364.7985 On May 31, 2016 11:09 PM, "Massimo DiPierro" <massimo.dipierro@gmail.com> wrote:
P.S. The page with the results is public and it is here: https://vote.python.org/init/default/results/46 The voted ballots are also public and posted here: https://vote.python.org/init/default/ballots/46 The links should be in your ballot receipt. If you have voted, you know which one is your ballot from the code but keep that to yourself: they are anonymous.
On Jun 1, 2016, at 12:10 AM, Massimo DiPierro <massimo.dipierro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everybody,
I apologize in advance for this email but I seek some clarifications. I am receiving some emails from people asking why Simon Cross and I are not elected and I am not sure what to answer. I have to admin I have not followed the rules close enough but I do remember some emails stating that No and Abstain should count the same and only the positive Yes vote are important.
Below are the results from the web page sorted based on the number of Yes votes (second column)
Can you please point me to a description of the rules about how the votes are counted? Thank you in advance and sorry for the noise. I am sure there is a good explanation, I just do not know what it is.
Massimo
Name,Yes,No,Abstain Diana Clarke, 95, 5, 21 Van Lindberg, 90, 17, 14 Naomi Ceder, 85, 10, 26 Carol Willing, 83, 4, 34 Carrie Anne Philbin, 73, 7, 41 Kushal Das, 63, 11, 47 Jackie Kazil, 60, 14, 47 Younggun Kim, 55, 6, 60 Lorena Mesa, 46, 10, 65 Simon Cross, 41, 11, 69 Massimo Di Pierro, 41, 23, 57 Monty Taylor, 40, 11, 70 Annapoornima Koppad, 39, 10, 72 Trey Hunner, 36, 12, 73 Don Sheu, 35, 9, 77 Ed Leafe, 32, 16, 73 Raphael Pierzina, 31, 9, 81 James Powell, 31, 10, 80 Philip James, 18, 14, 89 Chris Clifton, 11, 17, 93 Raghav Hanumantharau, 10, 15, 96
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I see… I was not aware of this. Browsing the pages I now see there are two elections: https://vote.python.org/init/default/results/45 https://vote.python.org/init/default/results/46 Same candidates and different ballots. I did not know about this. It is a weird way to use the system. I added up the numbers and now I agree with your results with the caveat below. Thanks for the clarification. :-) Caveat: I checked the database and I found 8 people were able to vote for both instances: ['katie.fulton@gmail.com', 'kirby.urner@gmail.com', 'diana.joan.clarke@gmail.com', 'lynn@lynnroot.com', 'carl@oddbird.net', 'jeff@elkner.net', 'amauryfa@gmail.com', 'facundo@taniquetil.com.ar’] I am sure this was a honest mistake but please this should not happen again. 8 people with two ballots could have made a lot of difference. I trust they realized they received two ballot and they voted for only one of them. Can we please use the system the way it is intended next time? Massimo (178, 'Diana Clarke') (169, 'Naomi Ceder') (155, 'Carol Willing') (150, 'Van Lindberg') (133, 'Carrie Anne Philbin') (118, 'Jackie Kazil') (110, 'Lorena Mesa') (104, 'Younggun Kim') (98, 'Kushal Das') (85, 'Trey Hunner') (83, 'Annapoornima Koppad') (75, 'Massimo Di Pierro') (73, 'Don Sheu') (72, 'Monty Taylor') (64, 'James Powell') (58, 'Simon Cross') (54, 'Raphael Pierzina') (49, 'Ed Leafe') (46, 'Philip James') (20, 'Raghav Hanumantharau') (15, 'Chris Clifton') On Jun 1, 2016, at 1:13 AM, VanL <van.lindberg@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Massimo,
You are not seeing the results from the full election. There was more than one ballot because the election administrator didn't want every ballot to have the same ordering of candidates. The final results that were posted are the sum of all votes across the multiple ballots.
Thanks, Van
_________________________________ Van Lindberg van.lindberg@gmail.com m: 214.364.7985
On May 31, 2016 11:09 PM, "Massimo DiPierro" <massimo.dipierro@gmail.com> wrote: P.S. The page with the results is public and it is here: https://vote.python.org/init/default/results/46 The voted ballots are also public and posted here: https://vote.python.org/init/default/ballots/46 The links should be in your ballot receipt. If you have voted, you know which one is your ballot from the code but keep that to yourself: they are anonymous.
On Jun 1, 2016, at 12:10 AM, Massimo DiPierro <massimo.dipierro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everybody,
I apologize in advance for this email but I seek some clarifications. I am receiving some emails from people asking why Simon Cross and I are not elected and I am not sure what to answer. I have to admin I have not followed the rules close enough but I do remember some emails stating that No and Abstain should count the same and only the positive Yes vote are important.
Below are the results from the web page sorted based on the number of Yes votes (second column)
Can you please point me to a description of the rules about how the votes are counted? Thank you in advance and sorry for the noise. I am sure there is a good explanation, I just do not know what it is.
Massimo
Name,Yes,No,Abstain Diana Clarke, 95, 5, 21 Van Lindberg, 90, 17, 14 Naomi Ceder, 85, 10, 26 Carol Willing, 83, 4, 34 Carrie Anne Philbin, 73, 7, 41 Kushal Das, 63, 11, 47 Jackie Kazil, 60, 14, 47 Younggun Kim, 55, 6, 60 Lorena Mesa, 46, 10, 65 Simon Cross, 41, 11, 69 Massimo Di Pierro, 41, 23, 57 Monty Taylor, 40, 11, 70 Annapoornima Koppad, 39, 10, 72 Trey Hunner, 36, 12, 73 Don Sheu, 35, 9, 77 Ed Leafe, 32, 16, 73 Raphael Pierzina, 31, 9, 81 James Powell, 31, 10, 80 Philip James, 18, 14, 89 Chris Clifton, 11, 17, 93 Raghav Hanumantharau, 10, 15, 96
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On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Massimo DiPierro <massimo.dipierro@gmail.com
wrote:
Can we please use the system the way it is intended next time?
This look sot me like a usability issue: can it be addressed with documentation? Steve Holden
This list has roughly always had the consensus that having ballots with candidates ordered differently was a good thing to avoid the ordering having a significant impact on the results of the election. Yes this is not an ideal way of using eVote, but it is the current solution we have chosen. Mark and I may work on making eVote handle randomization in the future, but I frankly doubt that will be fruitful given that the ballot is one large template and I'm unconvinced eVote could be modified in simple enough way to make the ballots random. Cheers, On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 3:21 AM, Steve Holden <steve@holdenweb.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Massimo DiPierro <massimo.dipierro@gmail.com> wrote:
Can we please use the system the way it is intended next time?
This look sot me like a usability issue: can it be addressed with documentation?
Steve Holden
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Dear all, Could avoid double-posting on PSF-vote and PSF-community? I'm presuming everyone here has some amount of mailing-list literacy ;-) Thank you Antoine. Le 01/06/2016 17:59, Ian Cordasco a écrit :
This list has roughly always had the consensus that having ballots with candidates ordered differently was a good thing to avoid the ordering having a significant impact on the results of the election.
Yes this is not an ideal way of using eVote, but it is the current solution we have chosen. Mark and I may work on making eVote handle randomization in the future, but I frankly doubt that will be fruitful given that the ballot is one large template and I'm unconvinced eVote could be modified in simple enough way to make the ballots random.
Cheers,
No problem Ian. I understand the reasons. I was not the only confused and I am happy everything has been clarified. It is also great that despite everything it was possible to independently recount the election which confirms the process is working transparently. Thanks for your effort and congratulations to the new board. :-) Massimo On Jun 1, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Ian Cordasco <graffatcolmingov@gmail.com> wrote:
This list has roughly always had the consensus that having ballots with candidates ordered differently was a good thing to avoid the ordering having a significant impact on the results of the election.
Yes this is not an ideal way of using eVote, but it is the current solution we have chosen. Mark and I may work on making eVote handle randomization in the future, but I frankly doubt that will be fruitful given that the ballot is one large template and I'm unconvinced eVote could be modified in simple enough way to make the ballots random.
Cheers,
On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 3:21 AM, Steve Holden <steve@holdenweb.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Massimo DiPierro <massimo.dipierro@gmail.com> wrote:
Can we please use the system the way it is intended next time?
This look sot me like a usability issue: can it be addressed with documentation?
Steve Holden
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Hi all, Sorry for being later than most would have wanted. PyCon is a bit distracting and I missed the initial message and have been asleep for the rest. The duplicate email address problem is definitely my fault. I copied the emails into a file and then ran `uniq` forgetting that the file should have been sorted first. (i.e., that `sort -u` would have been the right solution) We also mentioned shortly after the election started that we were using more than one ballot on this mailing list. I'm sorry for the confusion. Consider this something else we'll improve on next year. Cheers, Ia On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 1:36 AM, Massimo DiPierro <massimo.dipierro@gmail.com> wrote:
I see… I was not aware of this. Browsing the pages I now see there are two elections:
https://vote.python.org/init/default/results/45 https://vote.python.org/init/default/results/46
Same candidates and different ballots. I did not know about this. It is a weird way to use the system. I added up the numbers and now I agree with your results with the caveat below.
Thanks for the clarification. :-)
Caveat: I checked the database and I found 8 people were able to vote for both instances: ['katie.fulton@gmail.com', 'kirby.urner@gmail.com', 'diana.joan.clarke@gmail.com', 'lynn@lynnroot.com', 'carl@oddbird.net', 'jeff@elkner.net', 'amauryfa@gmail.com', 'facundo@taniquetil.com.ar’]
I am sure this was a honest mistake but please this should not happen again. 8 people with two ballots could have made a lot of difference. I trust they realized they received two ballot and they voted for only one of them.
Can we please use the system the way it is intended next time?
Massimo
(178, 'Diana Clarke') (169, 'Naomi Ceder') (155, 'Carol Willing') (150, 'Van Lindberg') (133, 'Carrie Anne Philbin') (118, 'Jackie Kazil') (110, 'Lorena Mesa') (104, 'Younggun Kim') (98, 'Kushal Das') (85, 'Trey Hunner') (83, 'Annapoornima Koppad') (75, 'Massimo Di Pierro') (73, 'Don Sheu') (72, 'Monty Taylor') (64, 'James Powell') (58, 'Simon Cross') (54, 'Raphael Pierzina') (49, 'Ed Leafe') (46, 'Philip James') (20, 'Raghav Hanumantharau') (15, 'Chris Clifton')
On Jun 1, 2016, at 1:13 AM, VanL <van.lindberg@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Massimo,
You are not seeing the results from the full election. There was more than one ballot because the election administrator didn't want every ballot to have the same ordering of candidates. The final results that were posted are the sum of all votes across the multiple ballots.
Thanks, Van
_________________________________ Van Lindberg van.lindberg@gmail.com m: 214.364.7985
On May 31, 2016 11:09 PM, "Massimo DiPierro" <massimo.dipierro@gmail.com> wrote:
P.S. The page with the results is public and it is here: https://vote.python.org/init/default/results/46 The voted ballots are also public and posted here: https://vote.python.org/init/default/ballots/46 The links should be in your ballot receipt. If you have voted, you know which one is your ballot from the code but keep that to yourself: they are anonymous.
On Jun 1, 2016, at 12:10 AM, Massimo DiPierro <massimo.dipierro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everybody,
I apologize in advance for this email but I seek some clarifications. I am receiving some emails from people asking why Simon Cross and I are not elected and I am not sure what to answer. I have to admin I have not followed the rules close enough but I do remember some emails stating that No and Abstain should count the same and only the positive Yes vote are important.
Below are the results from the web page sorted based on the number of Yes votes (second column)
Can you please point me to a description of the rules about how the votes are counted? Thank you in advance and sorry for the noise. I am sure there is a good explanation, I just do not know what it is.
Massimo
Name,Yes,No,Abstain Diana Clarke, 95, 5, 21 Van Lindberg, 90, 17, 14 Naomi Ceder, 85, 10, 26 Carol Willing, 83, 4, 34 Carrie Anne Philbin, 73, 7, 41 Kushal Das, 63, 11, 47 Jackie Kazil, 60, 14, 47 Younggun Kim, 55, 6, 60 Lorena Mesa, 46, 10, 65 Simon Cross, 41, 11, 69 Massimo Di Pierro, 41, 23, 57 Monty Taylor, 40, 11, 70 Annapoornima Koppad, 39, 10, 72 Trey Hunner, 36, 12, 73 Don Sheu, 35, 9, 77 Ed Leafe, 32, 16, 73 Raphael Pierzina, 31, 9, 81 James Powell, 31, 10, 80 Philip James, 18, 14, 89 Chris Clifton, 11, 17, 93 Raghav Hanumantharau, 10, 15, 96
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