Brett Cannon
[Steve Holden]
Christian Tismer wrote:
Chris Johnson wrote:
I am interested in attending a sprint.
Ditto here. How is this going to be handled? My impression from reading about the Zope sprints was that people came in and did XP-style hacking on the core code. I assumed that meant you had to already know a good amount about the core, but this little discussion has led me to think I was wrong about that assumption.
Obviously not everyone can do the sprints. This is going to be a queue sign-up? Or is Jeremy going to decide who gets to do it? If the word is spread that anyone can do them regardless of abilities then the sprints might have a rather large inflow of people wanting to do it.
And if anyone can do it regardless of skill base, then I want to be on the list behind Chris. =)
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Christian Tismer wrote:
Chris Johnson wrote:
I am interested in attending a sprint.
Ditto here. How is this going to be handled? My impression from reading about the Zope sprints was that people came in and did XP-style hacking on the core code. I assumed that meant you had to already know a good amount about the core, but this little discussion has led me to think I was wrong about that assumption.
Obviously not everyone can do the sprints. This is going to be a queue sign-up? Or is Jeremy going to decide who gets to do it? If the word is spread that anyone can do them regardless of abilities then the sprints might have a rather large inflow of people wanting to do it.
And if anyone can do it regardless of skill base, then I want to be on the list behind Chris. =)
We can do this in several ways. If we make the sprinters pay extra
for use of facilities during the sprint, we can basically handle as
many people as sign up. If we pay for the sprint facilities out of
conference surplus, we have to be more selective.
Sprints for pure newbies (no Python experience) probably won't work
well, although there are some local folks in DC who have some
experience. (George Paci
Christian Tismer wrote:
Chris Johnson wrote:
I am interested in attending a sprint.
Ditto here. How is this going to be handled? My impression from reading about the Zope sprints was that people came in and did XP-style hacking on the core code. I assumed that meant you had to already know a good amount about the core, but this little discussion has led me to think I was wrong about that assumption.
Obviously not everyone can do the sprints. This is going to be a queue sign-up? Or is Jeremy going to decide who gets to do it? If the word is spread that anyone can do them regardless of abilities then the sprints might have a rather large inflow of people wanting to do it.
And if anyone can do it regardless of skill base, then I want to be on the list behind Chris. =)
[Guido] [ ... ]
I suggest that we shouldn't try to plan the sprints just yet. But maybe someone can transfer some of this to the Wiki so there's info for people interested in sprints.
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On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 09:22:44PM -0500, Guido van Rossum wrote:
Sprints for people with Python experience but no experience on a particular code base (e.g. Zope) can work if there's an introductory talk at the beginning. This is how Jim Fulton does most Zope3 sprints. But that takes time away from sprinting (his intro was almost a full day at the recent sprint in Rotterdam).
Sprints need focused projects that have been selected by more experienced developers ahead of time; you can't just get together without a plan and expect much to happen.
Sounds like words of experience. :-) Would it make sense to have mini-classes throughout the conference? I'd hate to sit down with each new person and have to teach, ssh, cvs, sf (maybe roundup by march?), etc. Perhaps we could have short classes/tutorials throughout the conference. Maybe a half-hour to an hour. That way people could learn or improve the skills they don't have.
I suggest that we shouldn't try to plan the sprints just yet.
Agreed. I'm just thinking out loud. Neal
On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 09:22:44PM -0500, Guido van Rossum wrote:
Sprints for people with Python experience but no experience on a particular code base (e.g. Zope) can work if there's an introductory talk at the beginning. This is how Jim Fulton does most Zope3 sprints. But that takes time away from sprinting (his intro was almost a full day at the recent sprint in Rotterdam).
Sprints need focused projects that have been selected by more experienced developers ahead of time; you can't just get together without a plan and expect much to happen.
Sounds like words of experience. :-)
Would it make sense to have mini-classes throughout the conference? I'd hate to sit down with each new person and have to teach, ssh, cvs, sf (maybe roundup by march?), etc.
Perhaps we could have short classes/tutorials throughout the conference. Maybe a half-hour to an hour. That way people could learn or improve the skills they don't have.
I suggest that we shouldn't try to plan the sprints just yet.
Agreed. I'm just thinking out loud.
Neal: Terriffic. I've started to write up potential lightning talks on the Wiki (http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/PyCon) -- perhaps you could expand this idea there? I really do think that, while it's perhaps not directly relevant to core Python, we could expand the "volunteer" base a lot by teaching some fairly elementary skills. And I'd like to learn some of them myself. Maybe you could point out that "lightning tutorials" will have a slightly different flavor from "lightning talks"? regards ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Holden http://www.holdenweb.com/ Python Web Programming http://pydish.holdenweb.com/pwp/ Bring your musical instrument to PyCon! http://www.python.org/pycon/ -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would it make sense to have mini-classes throughout the conference? I'd hate to sit down with each new person and have to teach, ssh, cvs, sf (maybe roundup by march?), etc.
Perhaps we could have short classes/tutorials throughout the conference. Maybe a half-hour to an hour. That way people could learn or improve the skills they don't have.
Good idea! But since the sprints are planned Mon/Tue, i.e. *before* the conference, this would have to be done on the first morning of the sprint. For the Zope3 sprint in Rotterdam we had a Wiki page (and reminder emails) for all participants to encourage them to set up and test their ssh/cvs setup on their laptop *before* coming to the sprint, so we wouldn't waste time on that. --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
Guido:
I suppose you mena
http://www.zope.org//Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/CMSprintPr
eparation
We could certainly do something like that, and probably pre-publish the
lightning tutorial material for the especially clueless :-)
It would also add flavor to the tutorials to have first-timer war stories, I
guess.
regards
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Guido van Rossum"
Would it make sense to have mini-classes throughout the conference? I'd hate to sit down with each new person and have to teach, ssh, cvs, sf (maybe roundup by march?), etc.
Perhaps we could have short classes/tutorials throughout the conference. Maybe a half-hour to an hour. That way people could learn or improve the skills they don't have.
Good idea! But since the sprints are planned Mon/Tue, i.e. *before* the conference, this would have to be done on the first morning of the sprint.
For the Zope3 sprint in Rotterdam we had a Wiki page (and reminder emails) for all participants to encourage them to set up and test their ssh/cvs setup on their laptop *before* coming to the sprint, so we wouldn't waste time on that.
--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
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