Mailman 3 April 2010 - pydotorg-www

International Symbol - request for addition
by Carl Trachte April 29, 2010

April 29, 2010

I am writing to request the addition of the attached jpg with a link to the Python Wiki's Languages page to the python.org homepage. This had been discussed about 6 months ago by myself and Georg Brandl, with input from Aahz and David Goodger. (Georg has been good enough to find the map again for me.) The attached royalty free symbol is what we settled on. Thanks for taking this request into consideration. Carl T. Las Cruces, New Mexico

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weekly status: apr 28
by Richard Leland April 29, 2010

April 29, 2010

Beginning this week I'll be sending along weekly progress updates on the python.org project. I'll try to keep these updates short and sweet. So without further ado, here's the state of the state... - Got a basic project plan online - Outlined project goals - Identified the project steps (research, propose, implement) - Got a head start on some research items I also posted a timeline for the project at http://richleland.bitbucket.org/pydotorg-pm/timeline.html this evening. It's pretty conservative, giving us about 4 months to research and come up with a proposal for potential modifications. It's my hope that once this proposal is presented and discussed with the PSF board we can move forward with a phased implementation. With my admitted lack of knowledge of python.org it has taken me a few weeks to get into the swing of things. The community, both within and outside this list, has been so helpful and willing to share their knowledge thus far and that's been a great help. Thank you all for taking the time to help me get acquainted with the python.org ecosystem - I appreciate it. Let me know if you have any questions at all or would like to discuss anything within the project plan at any time. - Rich Richard Leland rich(a)richleland.com 240-242-7424

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feedburner account
by Doug Hellmann April 29, 2010

April 29, 2010

I would like to hook the PSF blog up to Feedburner to make it easy for people to subscribe by email. Does the PSF already have a Feedburner account, or other Google id that could be used for Feedburner access, or should I use my own account? Thanks, Doug

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Mailing list dead pile and private lists (Was: python.org ecosystem)
by anatoly techtonik April 29, 2010

April 29, 2010

On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Aahz <aahz(a)pythoncraft.com> wrote: > > Martin already mentioned mail.python.org, but I wanted to highlight it > because it has an HTTP server for Mailman, so it contains all the mailing > list archives and going to http://mail.python.org/ shows the public > mailing lists. The important part of it is that private archives are not listed. For example docs(a)python.org (or is it doc(a)python.org?) is almost impossible for volunteer to discover that it is possible to participate. There is also Doc-SIG, but it is not very active. So, I propose to review current SIGs ML, private ML and merge/remove or archive dead ML. The question to whatever to make docs/doc@ public is for Georg. I can't insist on things I am not actively participate in. -- anatoly t. > Althought it's not really part of python.org and is mostly dormant, > starship.python.net should be examined as part of your researches. > -- > Aahz (aahz(a)pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ > > "It is easier to optimize correct code than to correct optimized code." > --Bill Harlan > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www >

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FWD: Links box no longer at main page at python.org
by Aahz April 28, 2010

April 28, 2010

AMK, Here's some feedback on your recent work. ----- Forwarded message from Kristian Torp <torp(a)cs.aau.dk> ----- > From: Kristian Torp <torp(a)cs.aau.dk> > To: "webmaster(a)python.org" <webmaster(a)python.org> > Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 08:11:20 +0200 > Subject: Links box no longer at main page at python.org > > Dear Webmaster, > > The "Links" box that previously has been available in the main menu at the python.org homepage is now gone and I miss It :-). That this box is missing means that finding the PyPI package index is now quite complicated. You basically need to know what you are looking for. > > The "Links" box is still on for example the page for http://pypi.python.org/pypi. > > Best regards, > Kristian ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Aahz (aahz(a)pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "It is easier to optimize correct code than to correct optimized code." --Bill Harlan

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python.org ecosytem
by Richard Leland April 27, 2010

April 27, 2010

Hi all - one of the research points I've got to hit is getting a master list of all the sites within the python.org ecosystem and the technology behind them. Below is what I've got so far - if you could take a look and help me fill in the missing pieces I'd appreciate it! - python.org (static files w/build system) - docs.python.org (sphinx documentation) - wiki.python.org (moinmoin) - bugs.python.org (roundup) - planet.python.org - svn.python.org - pypi.python.org - pycon.org - pyfound.blogspot.com (blogger) - Rich Richard Leland rich(a)richleland.com 240-242-7424

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Two problematic pages
by A.M. Kuchling April 27, 2010

April 27, 2010

There are two pages that I'd like to get rid of, but am dithering about: * http://www.python.org/doc/newstyle/ claims: Unfortunately, new-style classes have not yet been integrated into Python's standard documention. Fear not, however; many people have worked to provide useful information on creating and using new-style classes. Is this still true? Are the resources linked from that page still useful? * A lot of the ports on http://www.python.org/download/other/ are very old. (2.1, 2.4, even 1.5.2, etc.). I think most people will just search for "Python <OS name>" and not come to python.org to poke around. Can we just drop the page completely? Now that I look at it, http://www.python.org/download/linux/ doesn't really have a lot of content; maybe it can be deleted, too. --amk

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project plan
by Richard Leland April 26, 2010

April 26, 2010

Hi all - as promised in the pydotorg list I've posted some documentation for the project plan for python.org. The current goal is to generate a proposal for the PSF board for enhancements to the various python.org sites. In these docs I've outlined a plan that includes goals and research needed. It's too early to think about implementation at this point and the technical details would impede forward progress. Throughout the project I'll need a combination of the guidance of the current pydotorg volunteers, feedback from the community, and patience as I familiarize myself with python.org ecosystem. A few guidelines I am personally going to try to adhere to: 1. Draw from the experience, history and hard work of the pydotorg admins/team 2. Don't make anything more difficult to use/update 3. Don't try to do everything all at once, start small, take steps 4. Keep the process as open as possible 5. Don't get caught up in details that keep the project from moving forward 6. Remember that we are all volunteers I'd like to think of this as a fluid project but I need to tie down some dates for getting the various aspects of the research phase done. I'll be outlining that timeline in the docs in the next week or so. In the meantime please take a look at the docs. I'll be updating them as the project moves along. http://richleland.bitbucket.org/pydotorg-pm/ Feel free to contact me at any time. I'm looking forward to helping out. - Rich Richard Leland rich(a)richleland.com 240-242-7424

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www.python.org: types of changes
by Aahz April 26, 2010

April 26, 2010

Rich's project goals at http://richleland.bitbucket.org/pydotorg-pm/goals.html includes the following: Agility Making modifications to the content of the site currently requires a build of static files and a level of technical expertise. The site content and appearance need to be easier to update. My suggestion is that we should be careful about specifying exactly which types of updates we're discussing. I would classify changes this way: Organization The way pages are connected to each other, and the way a visitor perceives sections of the site Content The actual text of the site and downloadable documents Layout Location of content elements on a page (which should have consistency across all pages) Appearance Text formatting and images used to convey organizational cues Obviously, these are all interrelated, but often one is focusing on only one or two aspects of updating the site at any particular time. Also, I generally prioritize these changes in the order that I've listed them (with the caveat that making organizational changes is sufficiently difficult and controversial that it rarely happens). -- Aahz (aahz(a)pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "It is easier to optimize correct code than to correct optimized code." --Bill Harlan

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webmaster@ vs pydotorg-www@
by anatoly techtonik April 25, 2010

April 25, 2010

Now that we have some important people securely locked in 'pydotorg', can anybody remind the status quo of 'webmaster(a)python.org'? My original idea assumed that we have public list for community collaboration that is a direct channel for any feedback from the website. Now all feedback goes into webmaster(a)python.org I was going to rewrite feedback email on http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonWebsiteCreatingNewTickets and maybe in some other places, but thought it might be a better idea to just redirect it here. -- anatoly t.

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