Mailman 3 May 2010 - pydotorg-www

Fwd: Spelling Typo in EDU-SIG: Python in Education (Suprised -> Surprised)
by webmaster＠python.org May 28, 2010

May 28, 2010

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Spelling Typo in EDU-SIG: Python in Education (Suprised -> Surprised) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:25:15 -0400 From: Titus Barik <titus(a)barik.net> To: webmaster(a)python.org Hello, There is a typo on the following page: http://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/edu-sig/ The word "suprised" should be spelled as "surprised". This is under the section "Textbooks and other non-free books". Thanks, Titus

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Fwd: Factual Error re wx
by webmaster＠python.org May 27, 2010

May 27, 2010

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Factual Error re wx Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:31:18 +0100 From: Gadget Steve (HM) <GadgetSteve(a)hotmail.com> To: <webmaster(a)python.org> At http://www.python.org/doc/faq/gui/#id4 the FAQ read: wxWindows is a portable GUI class library written in C++ that's a portable interface to various platform-specific libraries; wxWidgets is a Python interface to wxWindows. wxWindows supports Windows and MacOS; on Unix variants, it supports both GTk+ and Motif toolkits. wxWindows preserves the look and feel of the underlying graphics toolkit, and there is quite a rich widget set and collection of GDI classes. See the wxWindows page <http://www.wxwindows.org/> for more details. wxWidgets <http://wxwidgets.org/> is an extension module that wraps many of the wxWindows C++ classes, and is quickly gaining popularity amongst Python developers. You can get wxWidgets as part of the source or CVS distribution of wxWindows, or directly from its home page. The name wxWindows has been retired, (I think it was causing some hassle with MicroSnot), I think that above should read something like: wxWidgets, (http://www.wxwidgets.org) is a free, portable GUI class library written is C++ that provides a native look and feel on a number of platforms, with MS-Windows, MacOS-9/X, GTK, X11, Motif, WinCE, MGL, PalmOS & OS2 all listed as current stable targets. It has language bindings available to a number of languages including C, C++, *Python*, Pearl, Ruby, etc. wxPython, (http://www.wxpyton.org) is the python language binding for wxwidgets, while it often lags slightly behind the official wxWidgets releases it also offers a number of features, via pure python extensions, that are not yet available in other language bindings. There is an active user and developer community for wxPython. Both wxWidgets and wxPython are free, open source, software with permissive licences that allow their use in commercial products as well as in freeware or shareware. Gadget/Steve

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Fwd: broken link
by webmaster＠python.org May 26, 2010

May 26, 2010

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: broken link Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 09:42:33 -0500 From: Daniel Stutzbach <daniel(a)stutzbachenterprises.com> To: webmaster(a)python.org, webmaster(a)pythonology.org I was just browsing through some of the Python Success stories and I noticed that the website for "DevNet: A web-based RSS aggregator developed in Python" no longer appears to exist. You might want to remove the story, or just remove the broken links. There's one link at the top of the story, and another on the author's name at the bottom. Just thought you'd like to know, -- Daniel Stutzbach, Ph.D. President, Stutzbach Enterprises, LLC <http://stutzbachenterprises.com>

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Fwd: Differences between Python 2.x vs 3.x releases?
by webmaster＠python.org May 25, 2010

May 25, 2010

Should we have an explanation of the differences between Python 2 and Python 3 prominently linked to from the front page - or perhaps from the Python 2 / 3 download pages? Currently python.org is not a useful place to visit if you want to know the difference or which you should download... :-) Michael -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Differences between Python 2.x vs 3.x releases? Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 02:08:59 +0300 From: Shimmy Weitzhandler <weitzhandler(a)gmail.com> To: webmaster(a)python.org I was trying to find an answer to this <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2900929/python-2-x-vs-3-x-releases> question on the Python website, but I didn't manage to it. I think it should be stated, or at list a redirection-link for beginners who don't know. Best regards, Shimmy

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Fwd: Mercurial mirros
by webmaster＠python.org May 23, 2010

May 23, 2010

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Mercurial mirros Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 19:50:03 +0200 From: Andrej Krpic <akrpic77(a)gmail.com> To: webmaster(a)python.org hello, I believe "Mercurial mirros" link on http://www.python.org/dev/, which points to http://hg.python.org/ should point to http://code.python.org/hg -Andrej

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Vanished link for AFL v2.1
by A.M. Kuchling May 21, 2010

May 21, 2010

The contributor forms at http://localhost:8005/psf/contrib/ linked to http://opensource-definition.org/ for the texts of the Academic Free License 2.1 and Apache License 2.0 texts. opensource-definition.org has been domain-squatted and now shows generic links. I've updated the links on python.org. The Apache 2.0 license was easy to find, but the AFL 2.1 was difficult; I ended up linking to http://www.samurajdata.se/opensource/mirror/licenses/afl-2.1.php, which is an obsolete mirror of opensource.org. This is because the current AFL version is 3.0 and 2.1 is therefore obsolete. Question: should I add a copy of the AFL 2.1 to python.org? Or does the PSF want to update the contrib forms to use AFL 3.0 instead? --amk

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Licensing contributions (Was: Vanished link for AFL v2.1)
by anatoly techtonik May 20, 2010

May 20, 2010

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 10:22 PM, A.M. Kuchling <amk(a)amk.ca> wrote: > On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 09:47:33PM +0300, anatoly techtonik wrote: >> What is the trend about AFL? >> Isn't PSF the official license of all Python stuff? > > Yes, the PSF uses its own license for material where the PSF holds the > copyright. > > But when a person signs a contributor form, which is saying "I grant > the PSF the right to use my code/patch/whatever under some license", > what license is the *person* -- not the PSF! -- using? Isn't it a common sense assumption that if you want contribution to be the part of this particular software you agree that it will be redistributed alike? If you want other terms - you need to say it explicitly. I can only see a point when you want to take GPL code from me and then make it Public Domain in the future. As in this case I may refuse to contribute, you need to bind me as developer with obscure license terms. > They need to use a license that lets the PSF take the code and change > the license on it to be the PSF license. The PSF license doesn't > actually say re-licensing is allowed. The Apache 2.0 and Academic > Free licenses both explicitly allow re-licensing, so that's why > contributors need to pick one of them. Does the sentence that Apache 2.0 explicitly allow re-licensing really mean that I can drop it or replace with GPL, MIT or put in Public Domain at all? Why AFL? Why MIT or BSD is inappropriate? What about CC? Was there some discussion about it? Did you ask PSF contributors what license do they prefer (feel more comfortable) to see core Python stuff in? Why PSF can't change license PSF License 2 to PSF License 3 that is simpler and allow contributions? What PSF is afraid of in 2010 to maintain such complex license? Can you specify in simple words what is required from developers and record it as extension to some simple license like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISC_license? Please do not give me links. I am not a lawyer and not an English native, so I'd like to know the official point of PSF in developer's language. I bet many have question about licensing and AFL in particular, because I, for example, found AFL to be the most contradicting license at all: quoting Wikipedia (the license text is too complex for me): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_Free_License """ AFL versions 1.2 and 2.1 are not compatible with the GNU GPL.[1] The Free Software Foundation does not consider version 3.0 to be compatible with the GPL[1], though Eric S. Raymond (a co-founder of the OSI) contends it is GPL compatible.[3] In late 2002, an OSI working draft considered it a "best practice" license.[4] In mid 2006, however, the OSI's License Proliferation Committee found it "redundant with more popular licenses"[2], specifically version 2 of the Apache Software License. """ If "The mission of the foundation is to foster development of the Python community" - it should listen to developers, or better allow them freedom to use, exchange and contribute. Demanding or confusing them only increases FUD factor with D standing for dissatisfaction. Licensing preferences in general are often personal and demotivating, unfortunately. -- anatoly t.

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Fwd: Finding mailing lists on web site
by webmaster＠python.org May 19, 2010

May 19, 2010

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Finding mailing lists on web site Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 18:57:06 -0700 From: Monte Milanuk <memilanuk(a)gmail.com> To: webmaster(a)python.org Hello, Recently I was trying to find the python-tutor mailing list page to recommend it to someone in a forum... I went to python.org and started looking for the mailing lists list. I looked several places, including under 'Community'... nothing obvious jumped out at me. I tried the 'Special Interest Group' page... but no listing for 'tutor' there that I could find. I did a site search for 'tutor' and found the link to this page... http://www.python.org/community/lists/ for the Mailing Lists... and the notation on the page i.e. 'Community> Mailing Lists' would imply that it *should* be found under the Community page. I went back and looked under 'Community' and there is nothing mentioning 'Mailing Lists' at all on this page: http://www.python.org/community/ In fact, the expanded navigation menu for 'Community' when viewed from this page is about half the length of what is visible on the other page. Perhaps some navigation menus got messed up or something? HTH, Monte

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Fwd: Suggestion for additional Screen Style
by Michael Foord May 19, 2010

May 19, 2010

Suggestion from a website user. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Suggestion for additional Screen Style Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 10:48:45 -0400 From: John Nelson <jbn(a)abreka.com> To: webmaster(a)python.org Hello, As with my Python code, I prefer to view web pages unmaximized. I typically have relevant docs open in a browser window to the left of my code editor. It would be nice to have a [linearise] style option in the PEPs that would either remove the left navigation or place content immediately under it. I'd like to reclaim the wide left gutter for perusal. (More precisely, I would like to not press Web Developer > Display by Media Type > Print; CTRL++; every time.) Thanks for your consideration, John B Nelson

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FWD: Missing Python RISC OS port
by Aahz May 19, 2010

May 19, 2010

I'm +0 on this -- but someone else needs to do the work. ----- Forwarded message from "Silas S. Brown" <ssb22(a)cam.ac.uk> ----- > Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:50:32 +0100 > From: "Silas S. Brown" <ssb22(a)cam.ac.uk> > To: webmaster(a)python.org > Cc: dietmar(a)schwertberger.de, dietmar1(a)schwertberger.de, > dietmar2(a)schwertberger.de > Subject: Missing Python RISC OS port > > Dear Python maintainers, > > http://www.python.org/download/other says > that RISC OS binaries for Python are > maintained by Dietmar Schwertberger at > www.schwertberger.de. That site redirects > to freenet-homepage.de/schwertberger or > people.freenet.de/schwertberger/ , and > it seems that this has lapsed (it takes > you to a generic "domains available" page). > Additionally, it is not possible to compile > Python from source without a patched version > of the DLK library which was on Schwertberger's page. > > Eventually, I found the binaries at > http://web.archive.org/web/20071223061900/http://python.acorn.de/ > Would it be possible to retrieve these and > save them on python.org so they don't disappear? > > I know the number of people using this port is now low, > but when somebody does need it they really need it. > (For example I've lost the copy that was on my hard > drive and need to re-download.) > > Thanks. > > Silas > > -- > Silas S Brown http://people.pwf.cam.ac.uk/ssb22 ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Aahz (aahz(a)pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n nx prgrmmng.

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