On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 05:13, anatoly techtonik <techtonik@gmail.com> wrote:

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FWIW, we are all developers and it's strange that people send reports instead of patches. Something is wrong here. I suspect it is insufficient exposure of source code running the site. There is a Code-In coming - it might be a good idea to suggest improvements in this area for the challenge.

Not everyone has the time or interest to submit patches. I *know* you know this, as we've interacted on mailing lists and the bug tracker for a while now.

Merely repeating the fact won't help it. The root cause is not 'not everyone has time', but 'not everyone has _that much_ time'. This is how that time is spent: 1. Discover the source code for the site 2. Discover the thing that is wrong 3. Find a way how to fix the thing 4. Submit the patch I would like to propose (to PSF, probably) - the following study. Fetch people running outside in a corridor and ask them to change something on the website. Then measure the time they spent trying to figure out how to do this without asking questions. I guess more than half of them will give up at point 1.

However a person wants to notify us of an issue is better than not notifying us at all.

That's true. I wonder if the percentage of those who do this is below 0.1%, because some issues were reported only by subscribers of this list and even me - who doesn't visit Python website very often? =) Anyway, if there are any people interested in helping with an editor for static files, I can prepare a more detailed Roadmap/Outline that can be useful for Code-In or Jesse's sprints. http://code.google.com/p/pydotorg/issues/detail?id=6 But I need somebody to ping me periodically, or I lose the motivation. -- anatoly t.