I have made a number of changes to the jobs howto page ( http://www.python.org/community/jobs/howto/): - improved the template, hopefully reducing the amount of rework needed on received postings, including example of list - added a link for online preview of RST, hopefully reducing etc.. - added mentions of Feedburner and Twitter and a short description of why a summary would be good. - moved the donation paragraph up. Does anyone keep track of donations received on account of the Job Board? - tweaked the opening paragraph - removed the strong text about Word from the template - it was being included in postings - instead emphasized plain text in preceding paragraph If anyone has strong objections or suggestions for improvement, please let me know or jump in. Does anyone know why the bullet points after the template are indented? It is not a CSS issue, as far as I can tell. Thanks // Martin
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010, Martin Thomas wrote:
I have made a number of changes to the jobs howto page ( http://www.python.org/community/jobs/howto/):
Thanks! I'll take a look when I have some tuits. -- Aahz (aahz@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "....Normal is what cuts off your sixth finger and your tail..." --Siobhan
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:37, Martin Thomas <martin@martinthomas.net> wrote:
I have made a number of changes to the jobs howto page (http://www.python.org/community/jobs/howto/):
And I made some further improvements. I note that your changes put more text up-front. This discussed a while back, and IIRC we agreed that this would have the effect of fewer people getting to the most important part: the template. It will be interesting to see what effect these changes have.
Does anyone know why the bullet points after the template are indented? It is not a CSS issue, as far as I can tell.
Do you mean the numbered list? Item 1 was not properly indented, so it didn't show up as a true HTML "list item" (it was just a paragraph with "1." at the beginning; fixed now). Items 2 and up were properly indented, and showed up as list items. The indentation is just how browsers format lists. -- David Goodger <http://python.net/~goodger>
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:43 AM, David Goodger <goodger@python.org> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:37, Martin Thomas <martin@martinthomas.net> wrote:
I have made a number of changes to the jobs howto page (http://www.python.org/community/jobs/howto/):
And I made some further improvements.
Thanks.
I note that your changes put more text up-front. This discussed a while back, and IIRC we agreed that this would have the effect of fewer people getting to the most important part: the template. It will be interesting to see what effect these changes have.
I took advantage of the fact that the template viewed on the webpage is in a highlighted block. In addition to adding some text, I also trimmed a little. I wanted to remove the volunteer paragraph.. do we really need that on both pages? Based on the postings recently, people who make it to this page have little trouble finding the template but needed some help with filling it in. Hopefully, the changes will help there and save some rework.
Does anyone know why the bullet points after the template are indented? It is not a CSS issue, as far as I can tell.
Do you mean the numbered list? Item 1 was not properly indented, so it didn't show up as a true HTML "list item" (it was just a paragraph with "1." at the beginning; fixed now). Items 2 and up were properly indented, and showed up as list items. The indentation is just how browsers format lists.
Facepalm. Thanks. //m
-- David Goodger <http://python.net/~goodger>
I just noticed this while cleaning up my inbox, missed it when it arrived, sorry. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:44, Martin Thomas <martin@martinthomas.net> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:43 AM, David Goodger <goodger@python.org> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:37, Martin Thomas <martin@martinthomas.net> wrote:
I have made a number of changes to the jobs howto page (http://www.python.org/community/jobs/howto/):
And I made some further improvements.
Thanks.
I note that your changes put more text up-front. This discussed a while back, and IIRC we agreed that this would have the effect of fewer people getting to the most important part: the template. It will be interesting to see what effect these changes have.
I took advantage of the fact that the template viewed on the webpage is in a highlighted block. In addition to adding some text, I also trimmed a little. I wanted to remove the volunteer paragraph.. do we really need that on both pages?
I think that point needs more emphasis, not less. I'm tired of seeing reminders from impatient job posters. But it's near the end, so I doubt many will make it to that point in the instructions. If anything needs to be up-front and boldfaced, it's that. -- David
Based on the postings recently, people who make it to this page have little trouble finding the template but needed some help with filling it in. Hopefully, the changes will help there and save some rework.
Does anyone know why the bullet points after the template are indented? It is not a CSS issue, as far as I can tell.
Do you mean the numbered list? Item 1 was not properly indented, so it didn't show up as a true HTML "list item" (it was just a paragraph with "1." at the beginning; fixed now). Items 2 and up were properly indented, and showed up as list items. The indentation is just how browsers format lists.
Facepalm. Thanks. //m
-- David Goodger <http://python.net/~goodger>
On Jul 21, 2010, at 4:17 PM, David Goodger wrote:
I just noticed this while cleaning up my inbox, missed it when it arrived, sorry.
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:44, Martin Thomas <martin@martinthomas.net> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:43 AM, David Goodger <goodger@python.org> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:37, Martin Thomas <martin@martinthomas.net> wrote:
I have made a number of changes to the jobs howto page (http://www.python.org/community/jobs/howto/):
And I made some further improvements.
Thanks.
I note that your changes put more text up-front. This discussed a while back, and IIRC we agreed that this would have the effect of fewer people getting to the most important part: the template. It will be interesting to see what effect these changes have.
I took advantage of the fact that the template viewed on the webpage is in a highlighted block. In addition to adding some text, I also trimmed a little. I wanted to remove the volunteer paragraph.. do we really need that on both pages?
I think that point needs more emphasis, not less. I'm tired of seeing reminders from impatient job posters. But it's near the end, so I doubt many will make it to that point in the instructions. If anything needs to be up-front and boldfaced, it's that. I completely agree.. except the "volunteer paragraph" I was referring to is the second paragraph on the page that talk about looking at the wiki. You are talking about "life gets in the way" paragraph that closes the page.. which, incidentally, I don't think I touched.
How about we remove the text about finding volunteer positions (as I originally intended to say) and move the closing paragraph to second position? Also, put a note in the auto-responder message if it is not there already? Just my 2c. I am trying to make it clearer for the careful poster. What would really help is some way for the posters who cannot or will not grok RST to fill in the template. Regards // M
-- David
Based on the postings recently, people who make it to this page have little trouble finding the template but needed some help with filling it in. Hopefully, the changes will help there and save some rework.
Does anyone know why the bullet points after the template are indented? It is not a CSS issue, as far as I can tell.
Do you mean the numbered list? Item 1 was not properly indented, so it didn't show up as a true HTML "list item" (it was just a paragraph with "1." at the beginning; fixed now). Items 2 and up were properly indented, and showed up as list items. The indentation is just how browsers format lists.
Facepalm. Thanks. //m
-- David Goodger <http://python.net/~goodger>
This seems to me to be a pretty clear indication from a valued volunteer that we could help him by providing additional web functionality. How can we provide this? regards Steve On 7/22/2010 1:36 AM, Martin Thomas wrote:
On Jul 21, 2010, at 4:17 PM, David Goodger wrote:
I just noticed this while cleaning up my inbox, missed it when it arrived, sorry.
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:44, Martin Thomas <martin@martinthomas.net> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:43 AM, David Goodger <goodger@python.org> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:37, Martin Thomas <martin@martinthomas.net> wrote:
I have made a number of changes to the jobs howto page (http://www.python.org/community/jobs/howto/):
And I made some further improvements.
Thanks.
I note that your changes put more text up-front. This discussed a while back, and IIRC we agreed that this would have the effect of fewer people getting to the most important part: the template. It will be interesting to see what effect these changes have.
I took advantage of the fact that the template viewed on the webpage is in a highlighted block. In addition to adding some text, I also trimmed a little. I wanted to remove the volunteer paragraph.. do we really need that on both pages?
I think that point needs more emphasis, not less. I'm tired of seeing reminders from impatient job posters. But it's near the end, so I doubt many will make it to that point in the instructions. If anything needs to be up-front and boldfaced, it's that. I completely agree.. except the "volunteer paragraph" I was referring to is the second paragraph on the page that talk about looking at the wiki. You are talking about "life gets in the way" paragraph that closes the page.. which, incidentally, I don't think I touched.
How about we remove the text about finding volunteer positions (as I originally intended to say) and move the closing paragraph to second position? Also, put a note in the auto-responder message if it is not there already?
Just my 2c. I am trying to make it clearer for the careful poster. What would really help is some way for the posters who cannot or will not grok RST to fill in the template.
Regards // M
-- David
Based on the postings recently, people who make it to this page have little trouble finding the template but needed some help with filling it in. Hopefully, the changes will help there and save some rework.
Does anyone know why the bullet points after the template are indented? It is not a CSS issue, as far as I can tell.
Do you mean the numbered list? Item 1 was not properly indented, so it didn't show up as a true HTML "list item" (it was just a paragraph with "1." at the beginning; fixed now). Items 2 and up were properly indented, and showed up as list items. The indentation is just how browsers format lists.
Facepalm. Thanks. //m
-- David Goodger <http://python.net/~goodger>
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On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:44, Martin Thomas <martin@martinthomas.net> wrote:
I took advantage of the fact that the template viewed on the webpage is in a highlighted block. In addition to adding some text, I also trimmed a little. I wanted to remove the volunteer paragraph.. do we really need that on both pages?
On Jul 21, 2010, at 4:17 PM, David Goodger wrote:
I think that point needs more emphasis, not less. I'm tired of seeing reminders from impatient job posters. But it's near the end, so I doubt many will make it to that point in the instructions. If anything needs to be up-front and boldfaced, it's that.
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 20:36, Martin Thomas <martin@martinthomas.net> wrote:
I completely agree.. except the "volunteer paragraph" I was referring to is the second paragraph on the page that talk about looking at the wiki. You are talking about "life gets in the way" paragraph that closes the page.. which, incidentally, I don't think I touched.
I see. So apart from the misunderstanding we're in violent agreement :-)
How about we remove the text about finding volunteer positions (as I originally intended to say)
We don't post volunteer positions though, so shouldn't we state that? The text was put there when such volunteer posts became annoying.
and move the closing paragraph to second position? Also, put a note in the auto-responder message if it is not there already?
Sure. In the end, it's up to you -- whoever does the work gets final say.
Just my 2c. I am trying to make it clearer for the careful poster. What would really help is some way for the posters who cannot or will not grok RST to fill in the template.
That's a whole 'nother discussion, which I'll keep out of... -- David Goodger <http://python.net/~goodger>
Am 22.07.10 01:49, schrieb Steve Holden:
This seems to me to be a pretty clear indication from a valued volunteer that we could help him by providing additional web functionality. How can we provide this?
There is already a roundup instance that accepts job submissions. It just needs completion. Of course, as usual, I am not sure who this "we" is that you keep mentioning... Regards, Martin
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:53 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" <martin@v.loewis.de>wrote:
Am 22.07.10 01:49, schrieb Steve Holden:
This seems to me to be a pretty clear indication from a valued volunteer
that we could help him by providing additional web functionality. How can we provide this?
I am working on something. I'll shoot out a link when I am ready for the derision.
There is already a roundup instance that accepts job submissions. It just needs completion. Of course, as usual, I am not sure who this "we" is that you keep mentioning...
If Roundup can fix broken RST or even insert it when it is missing, I'll take a look. I think I have said this before but most of the time in updating the Job Board is taken by wrangling the submissions so that they mostly look like each other and fixing RST problems. Regards // M
Regards, Martin
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