Matrix presence proposal
Hi, I realized there are two IRC channels — #pypa and #pypa-dev. They used to be on Freenode up until it's been taken over, and are now on Libera.chat. Looks like they were bridged into Matrix before that migration but are not accessible from there anymore. Matrix is a decentralized communication network and a lot of projects moved there, replacing IRC. It's gained a lot of popularity among FOSS projects already. Also, Gitter that has chat rooms of many GitHub projects historically, was converted into a full-fledged Matrix server. This means that there are a lot of users that already have a Matrix account since Matrix allows communicating across servers and, for example, matrix.org users can join rooms hosted on gitter.im and vice versa. The individual users can have end-to-end encrypted chats across homeservers too. With this, I'd like to propose a few things: * Re-bridge the IRC rooms into Matrix (specifically, the matrix.org homeserver), re-enabling a substantial number of users to access them and interact with folks connected over IRC. * Expose aliases for existing gitter.im-hosted rooms of the PyPA projects on matrix.org. * Create a PyPA Matrix Space on matrix.org. This is basically a way to group rooms and people of a community. What will this achieve? Inclusion of people who are less familiar with IRC, a better interconnection of multiple chatting spaces, mostly. Thoughts? -- Warm regards, Sviatoslav Sydorenko --- https://useplaintext.email/ () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ---
Hi Sviatoslav Im under the impression that most of the communication at chat level has moved to the discord. That being said, i'm also a matrix user, but it looks like proper and sound bridges will be "quite" a infrastructure tasks and i'm not sure if we have someone willing/able to do that in future. -- Ronny Am 12.04.23 um 20:01 schrieb Sviatoslav Sydorenko:
Hi,
I realized there are two IRC channels — #pypa and #pypa-dev. They used to be on Freenode up until it's been taken over, and are now on Libera.chat. Looks like they were bridged into Matrix before that migration but are not accessible from there anymore.
Matrix is a decentralized communication network and a lot of projects moved there, replacing IRC. It's gained a lot of popularity among FOSS projects already. Also, Gitter that has chat rooms of many GitHub projects historically, was converted into a full-fledged Matrix server. This means that there are a lot of users that already have a Matrix account since Matrix allows communicating across servers and, for example, matrix.org users can join rooms hosted on gitter.im and vice versa. The individual users can have end-to-end encrypted chats across homeservers too.
With this, I'd like to propose a few things: * Re-bridge the IRC rooms into Matrix (specifically, the matrix.org homeserver), re-enabling a substantial number of users to access them and interact with folks connected over IRC. * Expose aliases for existing gitter.im-hosted rooms of the PyPA projects on matrix.org. * Create a PyPA Matrix Space on matrix.org. This is basically a way to group rooms and people of a community.
What will this achieve? Inclusion of people who are less familiar with IRC, a better interconnection of multiple chatting spaces, mostly.
Thoughts?
My assumption was also that Discord is where communication happens and I think this extends to the main Python server as well, not just PyPA. The barrier to entry is extremely low and the feature set is high. On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 2:13 PM Ronny Pfannschmidt < opensource@ronnypfannschmidt.de> wrote:
Hi Sviatoslav
Im under the impression that most of the communication at chat level has moved to the discord. That being said, i'm also a matrix user, but it looks like proper and sound bridges will be "quite" a infrastructure tasks and i'm not sure if we have someone willing/able to do that in future.
-- Ronny
Am 12.04.23 um 20:01 schrieb Sviatoslav Sydorenko:
Hi,
I realized there are two IRC channels — #pypa and #pypa-dev. They used to be on Freenode up until it's been taken over, and are now on Libera.chat. Looks like they were bridged into Matrix before that migration but are not accessible from there anymore.
Matrix is a decentralized communication network and a lot of projects moved there, replacing IRC. It's gained a lot of popularity among FOSS projects already. Also, Gitter that has chat rooms of many GitHub projects historically, was converted into a full-fledged Matrix server. This means that there are a lot of users that already have a Matrix account since Matrix allows communicating across servers and, for example, matrix.org users can join rooms hosted on gitter.im and vice versa. The individual users can have end-to-end encrypted chats across homeservers too.
With this, I'd like to propose a few things: * Re-bridge the IRC rooms into Matrix (specifically, the matrix.org homeserver), re-enabling a substantial number of users to access them and interact with folks connected over IRC. * Expose aliases for existing gitter.im-hosted rooms of the PyPA projects on matrix.org. * Create a PyPA Matrix Space on matrix.org. This is basically a way to group rooms and people of a community.
What will this achieve? Inclusion of people who are less familiar with IRC, a better interconnection of multiple chatting spaces, mostly.
Thoughts?
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Hey Ronny, On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 8:13 PM Ronny Pfannschmidt <opensource@ronnypfannschmidt.de> wrote:
Im under the impression that most of the communication at chat level has moved to the discord.
Yeah, I've heard something like that. Even tried it out at some point but ended up giving up on that platform since it didn't seem to work well for me, plus I already use a lot of different messaging systems and would rather not add to that pile. There's a lot of people on IRC who deserve to be connected to the PyPA. People are still connecting there periodically and ask questions. I suppose this is because it's easier for many to find a local room on a platform/network that they already use, than to register on others. I've seen somebody connecting to these channels from Matrix and it seems like there's an abandoned room there that used to be connected with Freenode. I was a bit skeptical about Matrix in the past but having seen many communities moving there, including my main work project (Ansible), I've started seeing it as a good replacement for IRC. Plus, it's got a lot of people on the platform already. Also note that some PyPA projects are still actively pointing to IRC, for example, https://pip.pypa.io, https://twine.readthedocs.io/en/latest/contributing.html and https://wheel.rtfd.io.
That being said, i'm also a matrix user, but it looks like proper and sound bridges will be "quite" a infrastructure tasks and i'm not sure if we have someone willing/able to do that in future.
I was kinda hoping to see a no-maintenance solution. So after some googling, I've found out that Matrix actually already has bridges with IRC: https://matrix-org.github.io/matrix-appservice-irc/latest/usage.html#joining.... Hence, it's already possible to join said channels via #pypa:libera.chat and #pypa-dev:libera.chat. Still, it'd be nice to have a space which groups these (and possibly other) channels and people. It's a zero-maintenance thing, mainly for convenience of those who already use Matrix. -- Warm regards, Sviatoslav Sydorenko
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