PyPA, Governance and Communication

Kicking off a thread on the mailman: So basically then, the immediate questions are:
I think the consensus we have so far is that A is Yes, for B we created this mailman list (though the CCs are fine too) and no one has particularly enthusiastically volunteered for D. Consolidating the "half volunteered" votes here: 1. Donald Stufft 2. Paul Moore 3. Thea Flowers I have not included in this semi-summary Nick's proposal since it is more complicated and involves getting a grant. I personally think the grant thing is a useful idea but it's probably a good idea to have a BDFN independent of that who can be the final arbiter in this case. I don't know all the PyPA people as well as probably some of you, but Donald seems like a pretty natural choice to me for this.

Hi all,
I’d like to nominate Dustin Ingram for the BDFRN role if Dustin is up for it.
Indeed, I'm up for it. I won't claim to have the same breadth of experience as Donald when it comes to these things, but I likely have a bit more bandwidth to spare than he does. I also can't say I know all of you personally, but I believe I know the majority of you, and I definitely know and understand each of your projects (either as a contributor, or as an observer). I believe I can fulfill the duties of a "BDFRN" objectively and without bias. D. On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 4:53 PM, Ernest W. Durbin III <ewdurbin@gmail.com> wrote:

+1 for Dustin from me :) \o/ *Nicole Harris* Kabu Creative *Mobile:* + 44 (0) 7480 910 191 *E-mail:* n.harris@kabucreative.com http://kabucreative.com On 22 May 2018 at 17:21, Pradyun Gedam <pradyunsg@gmail.com> wrote:

On 22 May 2018 at 23:49, Dustin Ingram <di@python.org> wrote:
If you're happy to take on the task, +1 from me - your exposure to the communication processes used in the MOSS grant will be an asset, and you're already used to working with ChangeSet, so I think getting them on board to help you with this should work out well :) Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncoghlan@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia

Dustin Ingram wrote:
Turns out there was discussion happening here that I wasn't seeing, because apparently being added a list owner doesn't actually subscribe you! I am perfectly happy with Dustin acting as the BDFN, I think he'll do a great job at helping us get to some sort of rough consensus and figuring out what we replace our adhoc system with. With regards to the experience aspect, I don't particularly think it's important, the role of the BDFN is largely facilitating discussion and helping to get us to achieve rough consensus (e.g. saying No to stuff that obviously doesn't have buy-in from people, to let us focus on more popular things, etc). You don't need to be stepped in 10 years of packaging lore to do that (and in many ways, being newer is a benefit here, fresh set of eyes etc etc).

I don’t know Dustin personally (we’ve managed not to connect for various reasons somehow) but consensus seems to be settling on the least unwilling :) I’m happy to give a +1 on this, hopefully we can catch up sometime in the future -D Dan Ryan // pipenv maintainer gh: @techalchemy

I just joined this list and caught up. +1 from me for Dustin for Benevolent Dictator For Right Now (BDFRN). Thank you for volunteering, Dustin.

I'm also very supportive of DI. From meeting him and PyCon and seeing his work he is well fit for the job. I also thank him for offering. Cooper

So it seems that there has been no dissent in nominating Dustin Ingram as the BDFRN of the PyPA. Is this resolved then? Dustin Ingram will serve in the BDFRN role as described:
We pick someone to act as a Benevolent Dictator For Right Now (BDFRN), whose sole charter is to act as the final decision maker for the above questions. Once those questions have been answered, the BDFRN role is over, and whatever (if any) new process takes over— or if we elect not to have anything new, then we just end the discussion there and continue as we are.

Hi all,
I’d like to nominate Dustin Ingram for the BDFRN role if Dustin is up for it.
Indeed, I'm up for it. I won't claim to have the same breadth of experience as Donald when it comes to these things, but I likely have a bit more bandwidth to spare than he does. I also can't say I know all of you personally, but I believe I know the majority of you, and I definitely know and understand each of your projects (either as a contributor, or as an observer). I believe I can fulfill the duties of a "BDFRN" objectively and without bias. D. On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 4:53 PM, Ernest W. Durbin III <ewdurbin@gmail.com> wrote:

+1 for Dustin from me :) \o/ *Nicole Harris* Kabu Creative *Mobile:* + 44 (0) 7480 910 191 *E-mail:* n.harris@kabucreative.com http://kabucreative.com On 22 May 2018 at 17:21, Pradyun Gedam <pradyunsg@gmail.com> wrote:

On 22 May 2018 at 23:49, Dustin Ingram <di@python.org> wrote:
If you're happy to take on the task, +1 from me - your exposure to the communication processes used in the MOSS grant will be an asset, and you're already used to working with ChangeSet, so I think getting them on board to help you with this should work out well :) Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncoghlan@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia

Dustin Ingram wrote:
Turns out there was discussion happening here that I wasn't seeing, because apparently being added a list owner doesn't actually subscribe you! I am perfectly happy with Dustin acting as the BDFN, I think he'll do a great job at helping us get to some sort of rough consensus and figuring out what we replace our adhoc system with. With regards to the experience aspect, I don't particularly think it's important, the role of the BDFN is largely facilitating discussion and helping to get us to achieve rough consensus (e.g. saying No to stuff that obviously doesn't have buy-in from people, to let us focus on more popular things, etc). You don't need to be stepped in 10 years of packaging lore to do that (and in many ways, being newer is a benefit here, fresh set of eyes etc etc).

I don’t know Dustin personally (we’ve managed not to connect for various reasons somehow) but consensus seems to be settling on the least unwilling :) I’m happy to give a +1 on this, hopefully we can catch up sometime in the future -D Dan Ryan // pipenv maintainer gh: @techalchemy

I just joined this list and caught up. +1 from me for Dustin for Benevolent Dictator For Right Now (BDFRN). Thank you for volunteering, Dustin.

I'm also very supportive of DI. From meeting him and PyCon and seeing his work he is well fit for the job. I also thank him for offering. Cooper

So it seems that there has been no dissent in nominating Dustin Ingram as the BDFRN of the PyPA. Is this resolved then? Dustin Ingram will serve in the BDFRN role as described:
We pick someone to act as a Benevolent Dictator For Right Now (BDFRN), whose sole charter is to act as the final decision maker for the above questions. Once those questions have been answered, the BDFRN role is over, and whatever (if any) new process takes over— or if we elect not to have anything new, then we just end the discussion there and continue as we are.
participants (13)
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Cooper Ry Lees
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Dan Ryan
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donald@stufft.io
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Dustin Ingram
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Ernest W. Durbin III
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Ian Stapleton Cordasco
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Nick Coghlan
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Nicole Harris
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Paul G
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Paul Moore
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Pradyun Gedam
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Sumana Harihareswara
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Thea Flowers