+1 -Ee On December 16, 2021 at 6:35:57 AM, Thomas Kluyver (thomas@kluyver.me.uk) wrote: Hi all, It came up recently that the specifications process page ( https://www.pypa.io/en/latest/specifications/ ) requires discussions on the distutils-sig mailing list, but in practice most of our packaging related discussions occur on https://discuss.python.org/c/packaging/14 now, and distutils-sig is barely used any more. There is a PR to update the specifications page to refer to the Discourse forum: https://github.com/pypa/pypa.io/pull/80 I believe this requires a PyPA vote (PEP 609 says that votes are required for "changes to how the PyPA operates, including but not limited to changes to its specification and governance processes..."). We've effectively already made the change in practice by not forcing people to post on distutils-sig, but if we've written down a governance document, we ought to follow it. So, please vote on requiring discussion of new/changed specs on the packaging board of discuss.python.org, instead of distutils-sig. +1 from me. Thomas _______________________________________________ PyPA-Committers mailing list -- pypa-committers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to pypa-committers-leave@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/pypa-committers.python.org/ Member address: ewdurbin@gmail.com

+1 On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 12:36 PM Thomas Kluyver <thomas@kluyver.me.uk> wrote:

Hi all,

It came up recently that the specifications process page ( https://www.pypa.io/en/latest/specifications/ ) requires discussions on the distutils-sig mailing list, but in practice most of our packaging related discussions occur on https://discuss.python.org/c/packaging/14 now, and distutils-sig is barely used any more. There is a PR to update the specifications page to refer to the Discourse forum:

https://github.com/pypa/pypa.io/pull/80

I believe this requires a PyPA vote (PEP 609 says that votes are required for "changes to how the PyPA operates, including but not limited to changes to its specification and governance processes..."). We've effectively already made the change in practice by not forcing people to post on distutils-sig, but if we've written down a governance document, we ought to follow it.

So, please vote on requiring discussion of new/changed specs on the packaging board of discuss.python.org, instead of distutils-sig.

+1 from me.

Thomas _______________________________________________ PyPA-Committers mailing list -- pypa-committers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to pypa-committers-leave@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/pypa-committers.python.org/ Member address: stephane.bidoul@acsone.eu

On Thu, 2021-12-16 at 11:35 +0000, Thomas Kluyver wrote:

Hi all,

It came up recently that the specifications process page (https://www.pypa.io/en/latest/specifications/ ) requires discussions on the distutils-sig mailing list, but in practice most of our packaging related discussions occur on https://discuss.python.org/c/packaging/14 now, and distutils-sig is barely used any more. There is a PR to update the specifications page to refer to the Discourse forum:

https://github.com/pypa/pypa.io/pull/80

I believe this requires a PyPA vote (PEP 609 says that votes are required for "changes to how the PyPA operates, including but not limited to changes to its specification and governance processes..."). We've effectively already made the change in practice by not forcing people to post on distutils-sig, but if we've written down a governance document, we ought to follow it.

So, please vote on requiring discussion of new/changed specs on the packaging board of discuss.python.org, instead of distutils-sig.

+1 from me.

Thomas _______________________________________________ PyPA-Committers mailing list -- pypa-committers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to pypa-committers-leave@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/pypa-committers.python.org/ Member address: lains@riseup.net

+1 Cheers, Filipe Laíns

+1 On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 4:35 AM Thomas Kluyver <thomas@kluyver.me.uk> wrote:

Hi all,

It came up recently that the specifications process page ( https://www.pypa.io/en/latest/specifications/ ) requires discussions on the distutils-sig mailing list, but in practice most of our packaging related discussions occur on https://discuss.python.org/c/packaging/14 now, and distutils-sig is barely used any more. There is a PR to update the specifications page to refer to the Discourse forum:

https://github.com/pypa/pypa.io/pull/80

I believe this requires a PyPA vote (PEP 609 says that votes are required for "changes to how the PyPA operates, including but not limited to changes to its specification and governance processes..."). We've effectively already made the change in practice by not forcing people to post on distutils-sig, but if we've written down a governance document, we ought to follow it.

So, please vote on requiring discussion of new/changed specs on the packaging board of discuss.python.org, instead of distutils-sig.

+1 from me.

Thomas _______________________________________________ PyPA-Committers mailing list -- pypa-committers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to pypa-committers-leave@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/pypa-committers.python.org/ Member address: nate.prewitt@gmail.com

+1 from me! On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 5:05 PM Thomas Kluyver <thomas@kluyver.me.uk> wrote:

Hi all,

It came up recently that the specifications process page ( https://www.pypa.io/en/latest/specifications/ ) requires discussions on the distutils-sig mailing list, but in practice most of our packaging related discussions occur on https://discuss.python.org/c/packaging/14 now, and distutils-sig is barely used any more. There is a PR to update the specifications page to refer to the Discourse forum:

https://github.com/pypa/pypa.io/pull/80

I believe this requires a PyPA vote (PEP 609 says that votes are required for "changes to how the PyPA operates, including but not limited to changes to its specification and governance processes..."). We've effectively already made the change in practice by not forcing people to post on distutils-sig, but if we've written down a governance document, we ought to follow it.

So, please vote on requiring discussion of new/changed specs on the packaging board of discuss.python.org, instead of distutils-sig.

+1 from me.

Thomas _______________________________________________ PyPA-Committers mailing list -- pypa-committers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to pypa-committers-leave@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/pypa-committers.python.org/ Member address: pradyunsg@gmail.com

+1 Jeremy Bowman On 2021-12-16 06:35, Thomas Kluyver wrote:

Hi all,

It came up recently that the specifications process page (https://www.pypa.io/en/latest/specifications/ ) requires discussions on the distutils-sig mailing list, but in practice most of our packaging related discussions occur on https://discuss.python.org/c/packaging/14 now, and distutils-sig is barely used any more. There is a PR to update the specifications page to refer to the Discourse forum:

https://github.com/pypa/pypa.io/pull/80

I believe this requires a PyPA vote (PEP 609 says that votes are required for "changes to how the PyPA operates, including but not limited to changes to its specification and governance processes..."). We've effectively already made the change in practice by not forcing people to post on distutils-sig, but if we've written down a governance document, we ought to follow it.

So, please vote on requiring discussion of new/changed specs on the packaging board of discuss.python.org, instead of distutils-sig.

+1 from me.

Thomas _______________________________________________ PyPA-Committers mailing list -- pypa-committers@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to pypa-committers-leave@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/pypa-committers.python.org/ Member address: jmbowman@portabase.org