Mailman 3 April 2003 - pypy-dev

Who wants patches? (redo)
by roccomoretti＠netscape.net April 12, 2003

April 12, 2003

I sent the original message out about 6 hours ago, but it doesn't seem to be showing up on the server. Is this a one-off thing, or is something up? ** Well, it took me about a month, (mainly spent getting a testing framework written to a point where I could work with it) but I think I have code to contribute. Specifically, I have two patches - one that elaborates on the exception comparison code in try/except: clauses, and another that actually implements the exec statement (there is a … [View More]

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chat log past 8:00 pm GMT
by Christian Tismer April 11, 2003

April 11, 2003

This is a cut'n paste protocol, since I had no logging on :-) *** Topic is 'Python in Python! Strange? Maybe, but powerful - and can be done!' *** Set by ChanServ on Fri Apr 11 16:01:08 *** ReportLabRobin has left #pypy <lac> hi christian <Stackless> howdy laura, although I'm late, I'm here (hear) :-) <hpk> hi christian (this is holger) <lac> you just missed Guido <Stackless> Have you settled a date already? <Stackless> Hi Timmy! <hpk> two :-) <… [View More]lac> not for May, but looks liek the EuroPythonj sprint is on <hpk> oh, but the end-of-may sprint hasn't died, has it? <lac> it most definitely hasn't. But the people who said they could come or could probably come are the same ones as weren't able to make this irc chat <Stackless> Is there a log of the recent messages, so I can keep up with it? <hpk> guido sent it to pypy-dev <lac> yes. Guido made it. he is sendiung it to pypy-dev <Stackless> so this is the time to read pypy-dev again. :-) (and I'm ready for it) <Stackless> ...loading the archives... <hpk> Stackless: how is it going? <lac> well, nbot much heppened after you went away <lac> Armin will be done moving on Monday <Stackless> Well, I shrunk myself so much that I became focused again, saved my US support, and I'm almost ready to push SLP 3.0 out of the door. <hpk> cool. would be a good time to write that article (ducks) <Stackless> Yes, a couple of days before I checked the subversive files, and there was not much new. *** sp has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) <hpk> Stackless: yes, just ten new revisions <Stackless> hpk: when I looked a fe days before, there were only three. <Stackless> hpk: What, you didn't write the article yet? (har har) <hpk> whatever. we should try to discuss pypy-development on the list in april <Stackless> hpk: Still fighting with the Trillke environment issues? <hpk> sure. we are about to get the city principals into problems <Stackless> -off for 2 mins- <sp2> whois lac <hpk> laura creighton <sp2> oops, I know (thanks) <Stackless> who is sp2, then ?:-) <lac> I think we have a great chance to get Commission funding for Pypy <lac> Sameule Pedroni <hpk> lac: sounds good. <lac> (I think -- he was sp at any rate) <Stackless> Oh, that's great. You bot has a bug: The name is "Samuele" <lac> I am such a lousy typer <sp2> yup, that's me (sp2 because the computer at one point crashed on me) <Stackless> Laura, I missed all of that discussion. How do you think to get the funding? This is incredible! <lac> I went to the commission's page and found out what they want to spend money one <lac> er on <Stackless> Did you ride the horse of "European answer to Java"? <lac> Yes, They want this. I haven't written a proposal yet. I am only at this one week <lac> and what i have now is an understanding that what they want to do <lac> is pay money for <lac> a) open source alternatives to corporate things <lac> b) things that are European and not American <lac> c) people who count as scholars who want to visit each other to collaborate <lac> d) networking and handheld devices <lac> d) is where Armin is already getting his funding <Stackless> Whow, I'm very impressed. So I should stop all my current projects yesterday, right? <lac> No, no <Stackless> :-) <lac> these thigns take time. And indeed we have a small problem in this <lac> we need to get a proposal out the door by April 23, or then its 6 months before they approve the next lot. <lac> I don't know if we can do this in time. <lac> We can make the next deadline easily, of course. <lac> look at http://fp6.cordis.lu/fp6/call_details.cfm?CALL_ID=1 <lac> as the place to start for where they want to hand out money <lac> The idea is to see what is it that we can/will be able to do that they want funded <lac> Then we write a proposal, saying, give us money so we can do this thing you want <lac> we are a little more polite than that, of course. <lac> Object Spaces are a cool idea for the EU because they have lots of problems with people who never want to upgrade their software <lac> We could, in principal, say 'this is Oct 2003 Python Object Space' <lac> and then let all the people who never want to change it again, run in that <lac> while the rest of us move on to something more interesting. All at the same time. <Stackless> Music in my eyes. <lac> This will save a dramatic amount of money in upgrading software that never wanted to be upgraded anyhow <Stackless> As I just skimmed the session log, BDFL and Tim might not make it to Godersburg, but to EuroPython? <lac> its Gothenburg, byt he way <lac> of Gvteborg <Stackless> stack overflow, sorry. <lac> oops, they don't do o with an umlaut here <sp2> the trick work as long as 'Oct 2003 Python Obj Sp' does not depend on something that can change under its feet <Stackless> Non comprehende? <lac> yes indeed. and here we get to the part where I don't understand how that works <lac> This is what Armin was explaining to me before my brain overflowed with new information and I couldn't absorb any more <Stackless> (how I love that known feeling...) <lac> I miss it. <Stackless> Please, explain, where is a trick, here? <lac> I think what Samuele meant is that it is nice to think of object spaces as being separate, but are they really? if down at the bottowm something becoems new and influences the old object spaces, then things will nto work <lac> correct? <Stackless> Talking about an Oct 2003 Py O-SP before April 23, without really knwoing what we're talking about? <hpk> ok , just updated http://codespeak.net/pypy/ to reflect the current situation <jacob> I have done a bit of thinking about the interaction between objectspaces. I think we need defined translations from on ObS to another. <Stackless> I think that I think that objectspaces *are* separate, especially they are not related to the language you want to implement. <sp2> if you want to achieve the goal the ObjSp as repository of some semantics should be isolated/captured indipendently from os / execution substrate, and in particular if you want to run it in 3000 there should be a way to interpose emulations for older OSs/substrates <lac> looks good to me holger <lac> somebody should log this, and I don't know how <sp2> I'm logging it <lac> great <lac> does this imply translations between one ObSpace and another, or are these separate problems? *** moshez has joined #pypy <Stackless> Hi moshez <moshez> hi, christian <Stackless> long time no see. <lac> hi moshez <moshez> christian; come to #twisted, I'm always there :) <moshez> I just got here to talk to lac about logs :) <moshez> lac: it's fairly easy if you install Twisted <moshez> it's in doc/examples/ircLog.py <moshez> you just have to change some hard-coded variables :) <moshez> and make sure the file you log to is web-site-accessible <lac> ok, I have Twisted installed, thank you. <moshez> lac: via Debian? <lac> yes <lac> but I have a recent source tree as well <moshez> lac: how about the twisted-doc package? <lac> that i have as well, at least on my laptop. not sure about this machine <moshez> lac: now, IIRC, it's in /usr/share/doc/twisted-doc/examples/ircLog.py <moshez> or something like that * moshez checks <moshez> ircLogBot.py <moshez> same path :) <moshez> cp it somewhere, change the nickname attribute to something appropriately descriptive (I used moshezbot) and run it as ircLogBot.py #pypy <name of file> * moshez pokes lac <lac> hi moshez. I am on the phone, <lac> but I will do that in the future. thank you. <moshez> np <Stackless> moshez, you want em on twisted? Will come, soon. <jacob> j #twisted *** chrchr_ has joined #pypy <Stackless> Is this channel doomed, now, so I should send the extra log to pypy-dev, or do we continue? <chrchr_> Stackless: Why would it be doomed? <Stackless> Just because the mesage frequency got down below 1/min :-) <chrchr_> Ah. <lac> well I am on the phone. But i am very interested in discussion about object spaces if anybody wants to continute that so i CAN READ IT <lac> oops sorry for capslock <hpk> i thought you switched to italian style :-) <Stackless> : /that/ *I* _really_ "don't" --understand-- (hand waving) <Stackless> hypertonically y'rs -- chris * hpk loughs * lac smiles at Christian * Stackless has to filter the log before posting... * Looking up chrchr_ user info... <Stackless> Ok, maybe I missed it: Did you come up with a final date for the next sprint? <lac> no. but last week in May. what is best for you? <hpk> have to leave now. see you soon. <lac> ok, take care holger *** hpk has left #pypy <Stackless> bye, hpk <Stackless> I planned to do one week of holidays before may, 7th. I would have turned that into <Stackless> a sprint. On the other hand, having both is just fine. What are you heading for: Yet another week, or shorter? <lac> everybody who wants to come couldn't make tonights meeting. <lac> so a week is fine with us. <lac> accomodations are reasonable, and the airfaire to Gothenburg from Frankfurt, Hamburg and London Stanstead is cheap <lac> we have access to a huge machien room at Chalmers university, so lots of machines and bandwidth <Stackless> Ok, so I'm keeping the last 12 days of May open for everything -- count on me for PI(T|ZZ)A <lac> though they are old machines -- our lapstops will be faster <lac> cheer <Stackless> Going off for today -- should I post my logs? <lac> yes please <lac> I should go as well. <lac> take care Christian, all <Stackless> See 'ya, and thanks for the work with the funding -- I want to help, definately!! <lac> terrific <lac> we discuss this some other night. -- Christian Tismer :^) <mailto:tismer@tismer.com> Mission Impossible 5oftware : Have a break! Take a ride on Python's Johannes-Niemeyer-Weg 9a : *Starship* http://starship.python.net/ 14109 Berlin : PGP key -> http://wwwkeys.pgp.net/ work +49 30 89 09 53 34 home +49 30 802 86 56 pager +49 173 24 18 776 PGP 0x57F3BF04 9064 F4E1 D754 C2FF 1619 305B C09C 5A3B 57F3 BF04 whom do you want to sponsor today? http://www.stackless.com/ [View Less]

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present from Guido
by Laura Creighton April 11, 2003

April 11, 2003

Stdio implementation written in Python. It is in the Python CVS in nondist/sandbox/sio. Please don't ask Guido for help with this - he has no time. Laura

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chat log
by Guido van Rossum April 11, 2003

April 11, 2003

Here's the log from today's chat. --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) --> gvanrossum (~guido(a)208.251.201.41) has joined #pypy --- sterling.freenode.net sets mode +n #pypy --- ChanServ has changed the topic to: Python in Python! Strange? Maybe, but powerful - and can be done! --- ChanServ removes channel operator status from gvanrossum --> sp (~sp(a)76.37.202.62.dial.bluewin.ch) has joined #pypy <gvanrossum> who's sp? --> rally (~chatzilla(a)62.180.… [View More]61.172) has joined #pypy <-- rally has quit (Client Quit) --> theller (~theller(a)62.180.61.172) has joined #pypy <-- theller has quit (Client Quit) --> theller (~theller(a)62.180.61.172) has joined #pypy <sp> help set log <sp> set logfile --> hpk (~chatzilla(a)pD9E3555D.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #pypy --> ReportLabRobin (~email(a)demon-gw.reportlab.co.uk) has joined #pypy --> jeremyspam (~jeremy(a)208.251.201.42) has joined #pypy --> lac (lac(a)ratthing-b246.strakt.com) has joined #pypy <lac> hi there <hpk> hi laura <-- ReportLabRobin (~email(a)demon-gw.reportlab.co.uk) has left #pypy --> ReportLabRobin (~email(a)demon-gw.reportlab.co.uk) has joined #pypy --> newbie (jacob(a)enzo.strakt.com) has joined #pypy <lac> hi Jacob <gvanrossum> who are hpk & sp? I think I know everyone else :-) <lac> hpk is Holger <gvanrossum> hi holger <theller> hi all, I'm just hanging around here to not miss anything interesting. <newbie> Ahh, I seem to have joined the channel. I'm not up to speed with irc... <gvanrossum> newbie: yes, you're on. we see you. --> tim_one (~tim(a)208.251.201.35) has joined #pypy --- newbie is now known as jacob <lac> hi tim <tim_one> Hi, Laura! <lac> Ok, now if somebody could explain to me how you log a meeting ... <gvanrossum> I'm logging. I can mail the log afterwards. <lac> great. <lac> thank you. <gvanrossum> on w/ the show <lac> Christian is coming. Armin doesn't have a connection until Monday <lac> but Armin says any day for a sprint is fine with him. <lac> He's coming. <sp> Hi, sp is Samuele Pedroni (mostly in lurker mode) <gvanrossum> hi samuele <hpk> so what are the latest plans for the next sprint <lac> Gothenburg is very nice at the end of May. I think it would be a great place to have a Sprint. <gvanrossum> I don't think I can make it, alas. <gvanrossum> But I might make it near EuroPython -- if that conference is still on (MAL expressed some fear about that since nobody seems to be organizing) <lac> but a Sprint before EuroPython is lookiung possible for you? <lac> and what about you Tim? <tim_one> Unknown. <tim_one> I haven't had time to read the email on this. <hpk> i want to come but i have to catch up a lot as i haven't done much computer stuff the last two month <lac> things are happening with EuroPython. it is still on. we have enough talks now <hpk> lac: is end of may not too close to europython, timewise? <lac> Though we still want one from you Samele, if you are willing :-) <lac> no, Europython is end of June <lac> so it would be one whole month. <gvanrossum> ok. I suppose I could arrive Sat June 21 and sprint on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. You'd only have to buy two days of my time. :-) <jacob> Early May is too soon for us to get all the pieces together. Armin can't come in mid-May. <lac> So the question is, are there enough people who want to come in the end of May and can make it. <hpk> yip <hpk> so far it's only armin and me, you and jacob, right? <jacob> Michael wants to come too. <lac> no christian and micheal as well <jacob> And Christian, if he has the time... <hpk> ok, that would be a good <gvanrossum> there are two christians? :) <jacob> I think we are both talking about Tismer. <lac> alas, only one christian... 2 would definitely speed development * gvanrossum was joking. there is only one christian, and he is tismer <hpk> am i right that not much has happened in the last weeks with pypy-development? <jacob> In any case, I think that would be enough for a successful sprint. <lac> Christian said that he was coming to this meeting, but he also may believe that it is an hour from now <lac> you are correct. <hpk> Then we should start some discussions on pypy-dev in the next two weeks to set themes for the sprint <lac> Jacob and I have been on the road, Christain has been consulting for money, and Armin has been moving to England <lac> this made for a quiet month <jacob> Yes, we need a plan before the sprint starts, so that things can get underway quickly. <hpk> i am a bit uneasy with another sprint following end of june <jacob> An important thing to start with is to set dates. <hpk> and the end-of-june/europython sprint definitely makes sense <jacob> Maybe, maybe not. It seems to be difficult to make something cost-effective in Charleroi. <hpk> oh <hpk> I had an ok-hotel for 15 euro and there should be university rooms, not? <jacob> The people there can't give any alternatives to the conference center, and that is hideously expensive. <lac> what is difficult is finding a place we can do it in. Denis Frere who lives there hasn't got back to me. I will talk toi the chamber of commerce <lac> next week. according to Tom there are plenty of suyitable buildings <lac> but he doesn't know names or phone numbers <hpk> the last zope3-sprint in charleroi didn't have nice facilities <gvanrossum> but were they adequate? <gvanrossum> where was it? <jacob> Well, lets focus on the matter of do we want two sprints or not. <lac> who ran it? so we can ask them where? <hpk> in some university place that felt like a jail <hpk> Denis Frere <lac> ok, he is supposed to be getting back to me. <gvanrossum> it must be the only option he knows about <hpk> the place could be turned nicer if we bring coffee machines etc. <hpk> Tom is not familiar with Charleroi? <gvanrossum> dunno <hpk> jacob: i have a preference for only the sprint at europython if we can manage that <lac> well, the nice thing about Gothenburg is that we have access to some free facilities with decent bandwidth, and planes to here from Europe are cheap, and we have lots of youth hostels and low budget places to stay <hpk> how is gothenburg in september? <lac> tom does not know a lot about charleroi, no, he is from a different part of belgium <lac> sometimes rainy, but usually very pleasant <gvanrossum> I probably can't make it in Sept, already planned a week's vacatiln then, don't want another trip close to it <hpk> it seems that more people could come to a europython-sprint but organization is more difficult :-( <lac> yes. but I don't see why we cannot have 2 of them <lac> It would be ncie if all interested people came to all sprints, but I don't thinkt hat is possible <lac> and I think we have enough interest in a May sprint in addition to a EuroPython one -- though I wish that Christian and Michael were here <hpk> ok, i am not against the may sprint. i am just not sure that it really works to have two sprints so close to each other. <tim_one> It can make good sense if at least one core contributor attends both. <lac> you have been to more than I have. why doesn't/wouldn't it work? <hpk> because everybody is complaining about time problems all the times? <hpk> anyway, if at least armin and michael are ok with attending both, then why not. <hpk> could we make the europython-sprint in bruxelles? <lac> I don't see why not <gvanrossum> works for me. at least there's something to do at night. and there are more universities (e.g. the one that did FOSDEM) <hpk> just an idea that we don't have to stick to charleroi <hpk> gvanrossum: yes, exactly <lac> ok, whom do we know that comes from there? <lac> that can help with organising? or do you know the area well Holger? <lac> is Nicolas Pettieux from there? <hpk> we could ask the fosdem-people for help <hpk> they get large facilities for free asfaik <gvanrossum> right <lac> great. I don't know any of them perspnally. do you(s)? <hpk> The Story <hpk> Contact FOSDEM <hpk> -- MEMBERS ZONE -- <hpk> Login: <hpk> Password: <hpk> Become a member <hpk> Why register? <hpk> How to contact us... <hpk> You can contact us at info(a)fosdem.org. <hpk> There's also a mailing list available to help you find accomodation, transportation, etc. with other Fosdem visitors. <hpk> This mailing list is for people interested in the Open Source & Free Software Developer's European Meeting. If you are looking for a lift to come, or if you want to be updated regularly, subscribe to this list now! :-) <hpk> Using Osdem <hpk> To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the Osdem Archives. <hpk> <hpk> To post a message to all the list members, send email to <hpk> osdem(a)lists.raphinou.com. <hpk> not really but i think sending mail to osdem(a)lists.raphinou.com might work <hpk> oops. soory <hpk> don't know how that happened. anyway we could send mail to osdem(a)lists.raphinou.com <lac> sure. it is just nice to ask somebody you already know, if you already know somebody. <gvanrossum> I met one of the organizers. I could write ONE introductory mail. <gvanrossum> who should I introduce them to? <lac> I am thinking we already know Nicolas Pettieux, and this looks like his sort of thing. He is with the Association Electronique LIBRE http://www.ael.be/ <lac> do you want to run this, Holger? <hpk> i'll try but can't invest much time in the next two weeks <lac> Do you want me to try to organise it then? <hpk> sure. i can probably support you. <lac> thanks holger. <hpk> i'll see if i can bring a beamer <lac> Ok. I will get in touch with Nicolas, and if that isn't already a connection, I will ask you, Guido, to write a letter referring them to me, ok plan? <gvanrossum> ok, let me know <hpk> cool. <hpk> let's inform the pypy-dev list about both opportunities and i'll reopen the pypy-sprint list soon <hpk> oh. i just remember that armin must know some people in belgium :-) <-- jacob has quit (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) <-- lac has quit (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) --> jacob (jacob(a)enzo.strakt.com) has joined #pypy --> lac (lac(a)ratthing-b246.strakt.com) has joined #pypy <ReportLabRobin> The last EuroPython thing had sponsor ship of some kind from Aragne, www.aragne.com (Zope/Python firm) <lac> yow what happened? <lac> that is Denis Frere's company <ReportLabRobin> OK already involved then * lac nods. but thank you.' <lac> so does anybody else want to talk about something or do we wrap up this meeting? <gvanrossum> sell sprinting to Tim <gvanrossum> (& to me) <gvanrossum> i.e. why should tim & guido be there? <lac> well, I don't think that there is anybody who knows Python better than you do <hpk> because you need to work with armin and the others to implement python in python <gvanrossum> yes, and there are 1000,000s of projects that need us for the same reason. why should we be interested in this one? <lac> so when we go out and re-create the universe, it sure helps to have somebody there who can say, NO NO we tried that and it was a foolish idea!! <lac> Aha. I see. <gvanrossum> hpk: "you need"??? <lac> If we can pull this off, then we can fix 2 problems <lac> one is the speed one, which is of course interesting. <lac> but I think the more interesting one is that, if we implement object spaces properly <hpk> gvanrossum: sorry, bad german-english translation (wasn't meant as "must") <lac> then we can make a real crack at distributed processing, <lac> which I think is what Amoeba was doing, correct me if I am wrong. <lac> The EU is very interested in things like this on 2 fronts <lac> the first is that it makes handhelds easy in some ways. This is <lac> what Armin is getting funded to do right now, so this is precisely where he is going with this <lac> the other is that you can stake down an object space and then say 'use this if you need features of such and such a date' <lac> and then MIX them. * gvanrossum doesn't see the connection between "py in py" and all that. <lac> which means backwards compatibility will be very different from what it is now, because people can keep old object spaces <lac> ok <lac> This is Armin's talk, so if he mails you and says that I am misundestanding, you know whiom to trust :-) <gvanrossum> maybe you can get armin to try to sell it to me... <lac> If Armin is correct in what is accomplishable in data analysis as for optimisation, then <lac> certainly I can. <lac> but if Armin is correct than we do not have to wed ourselves to teh values that were decided for C. * gvanrossum will believe it when he sees Armin's mail. <lac> ok. seems like a plan to me. <hpk> i think a good reason to come would be if you are interested to implement python within python <lac> I will have Armin write you. <lac> Guido's problem is that he is interested in enough things to fill 2 dozens lives. how to prioritize? <gvanrossum> hpk: but there are many approaches to that, and I need to know if I believe in this one. Also, it isn't worth my while if I can't work on the project afterwards. <gvanrossum> lac: nice way of saying it. I might use that one some day. :-) <lac> Why wouldn't you be able to work on it afterwards? <gvanrossum> lac: because I am paid to do zope work only <lac> be my guest <gvanrossum> no thanks, sweden doesn't work for me & my family <lac> Right. I am working on getting EU funding for this. If this works we can see about hiring you to do this more often <lac> I meant be my guest to use the quote, though you were welcome the other way. --> sp2 (~sp(a)69.63.203.62.dial.bluewin.ch) has joined #pypy <gvanrossum> ok. :) <lac> How good are your ties to universities/research institutes in the Netherlands? <gvanrossum> poor. the only place I know is CWI. <hpk> lac: why are you asking? <lac> Because it might matter in terms of getting EU Commission funding <hpk> lac: i am working in rotterdam and infrae probably has some connections <hpk> i can talk to martijn and kit blake <lac> They like it when you say 'researcher from place x WANTS to collaborate with researcher from place Y' <lac> please send cash for travelling scholars <gvanrossum> mind if I tune out now? <lac> no, this is fine. <hpk> thanks for your time <lac> thanks for your time <gvanrossum> NP. I'll save & mail the log now. <lac> thank you [View Less]

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Re: [pypy-dev] irc meeting tonight 1900 CEST (Europe time)
by Laura Creighton April 11, 2003

April 11, 2003

In a message of Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:55:44 BST, Robin Becker writes: >In article <200304111226.h3BCQJ35003804(a)ratthing-b246.strakt.com>, Laura >Creighton <lac(a)strakt.com> writes >>On channel #pypy of irc.freenode.net. Purpose - set dates for the Sprin >t >>in Gothenburg the last week of May. Michael and Holger may be >>unable to attend. Armin cannot make it but he says any time >>is fine with him. >> >>Laura >is it OK to lurk? &… [View More]

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irc meeting tonight 1900 CEST (Europe time)
by Laura Creighton April 11, 2003

April 11, 2003

On channel #pypy of irc.freenode.net. Purpose - set dates for the Sprint in Gothenburg the last week of May. Michael and Holger may be unable to attend. Armin cannot make it but he says any time is fine with him. Laura

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I want to hold a meeting today on irc #pypy
by Laura Creighton April 11, 2003

April 11, 2003

to discuss plans for Sprint in Gothenburg the last week of May. Michael Hudson and I are busy 1800 with the EuroPython daily meeting. Otherwise, I am free all afternoon and evening. When is a good time for you?

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Re: [pypy-sprint] Re: [pypy-dev] I want to hold a meeting today on irc #pypy
by Laura Creighton April 11, 2003

April 11, 2003

In a message of Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:21:43 +0200, holger krekel writes: >[Laura Creighton Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 07:15:25AM +0200] >> to discuss plans for Sprint in Gothenburg the last week of May. >> Michael Hudson and I are busy 1800 with the EuroPython daily meeting. >> Otherwise, I am free all afternoon and evening. When is a good time >> for you? > >I might be able to join in the evening. which channel? > > holger #pypy Laura

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